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New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Post by saberience »

Bissaka wrote: post #56
thret wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, because they are more likely to lie about how much alcohol and or drugs they take. I have lived in two Muslim countries now and I don't know any Muslims who don't drink in private. I doubt they'd admit to it on a survey though.

I'm 40 years old who is a muslim. I spent half of my life living in a muslim/arab country and the other hald in the west. Here is what I've seen: 1- Of all the people I know where I grew up in the arab country, probably only 2-3 drunk. This does correlate with the data [1]. But those 2-3 people did drink heavily. Could you back your personal experience with some stats? 2- Alcohol in the arab world has a different mea…

The UAE is certainly a muslim/arab country and alcohol is certainly available outside of bars. And I would say from my experiences in Dubai, a lot more than "1 or 2" muslims are getting drunk here.

Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Post by lil_dispaches »

Cancer seems to increase with age, so could we not conclude the opposite, that alcohol somehow aids survival?

Studies should not come with conclusions. Just the data, and unbiased analysis of the data if you must. No one statistical study can "confirm" anything. This is why science is so broke.

Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Post by Bissaka »

saberience wrote: post #71
Bissaka wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm 40 years old who is a muslim. I spent half of my life living in a muslim/arab country and the other hald in the west. Here is what I've seen: 1- Of all the people I know where I grew up in the arab country, probably only 2-3 drunk. This does correlate with the data [1]. But those 2-3 people did drink heavily. Could you back your personal experience with some stats? 2- Alcohol in the arab world has a different mea…

The UAE is certainly a muslim/arab country and alcohol is certainly available outside of bars. And I would say from my experiences in Dubai, a lot more than "1 or 2" muslims are getting drunk here.

So from your own experience it's 50% are drinking? Do you have references/stats to back it up?

Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Post by [deleted] »

paulcole wrote: post #57
jb1991 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve often heard it mentioned that the church of Latter Day Saints is a religious culture that abstain from alcohol and caffeine, and their life expectancy is many years longer than average, by a decade or so, even when they live amongst others in the same country and otherwise have similar environmental influences.

They eat sugar like fiends to make up for it.

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Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Post by b112 »

gtsop wrote: post #18
b112 wrote: post #15

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Talking privately to researchers, in China, may mean the government knows, which may effect social credit. This would not happen elsewhere, and thus, is a valid question. Would this effect, uniquely, reported numbers in China? Thus the parent post made a sensible logical point.

Not really dissagreeing here. But still, the specifics of these variables might derail from the actual question at hand. Do people actually self report accurately regardless of state? That why i just mentioned that i think these specifics aren't quite useful

I think, if it is a reputable research company or university or some such, doing a study, which promises privacy with an NDA, yes. They would self report more accurately.

Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Post by stjohnswarts »

jb1991 wrote: post #38
1penny42cents wrote: post #12

> it has been difficult to establish whether alcohol directly causes cancer, or if it is linked to possible confounding factors (such as smoking and diet) that could generate biased results. > It was also unclear whether alcohol is linked to other types of cancer, including lung and stomach cancers. If smoking was a confounding variable, shouldn't we see an increased risk of smoking-related cancers?

I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not, but we certainly do see an increase in lung cancer among people who smoke regularly.

Aren't lung cancer patient chances of having it on the order of 1000x to 1 as far a smoker vs who has never smoked?

Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Post by tharne »

Bissaka wrote: post #56
thret wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, because they are more likely to lie about how much alcohol and or drugs they take. I have lived in two Muslim countries now and I don't know any Muslims who don't drink in private. I doubt they'd admit to it on a survey though.

I'm 40 years old who is a muslim. I spent half of my life living in a muslim/arab country and the other hald in the west. Here is what I've seen: 1- Of all the people I know where I grew up in the arab country, probably only 2-3 drunk. This does correlate with the data [1]. But those 2-3 people did drink heavily. Could you back your personal experience with some stats? 2- Alcohol in the arab world has a different mea…

There were a lot of muslim students where I went to college. There was an ongoing joke that went something like:

"Why do you always invite at least two muslims to your apartment? Because if you only invite one, they'll drink all your beer."

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