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Ask HN: Is it just me or do 99% of SWE jobs offers seem completely pointless?

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Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or do 99% of SWE jobs offers seem completely pointless?

#43
Most jobs - especially in software - produce very little or no value.

There are a couple things you can do:

- Accept it, do as little work as you can get away with, and find fulfillment outside your job. Maybe get a stand-up desk and do some light exercise while working, to ease the feeling of wasting your time.

- Find a useful job. Non-profits, government services, and research organizations are good places to look, but there are lots of private sector jobs that produce useful things even while squeezing out profit.

I work at a public research organization, creating tools to collect, process, and share climate data. All of my co-workers are fairly happy and motivated, because the work we do is useful. I'm currently working on a CRUD app to make it easier for researchers to submit reports to the grant organization. The product is dull, but I'm happy to work on it because it will let our researchers spend less time on administration and more time on climate science.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or do 99% of SWE jobs offers seem completely pointless?

#44
You'd be forgiven for thinking that all SWE positions are high-paying soulless FAANG jobs - those jobs get a lot of attention and are very appealing to a lot of people.

But there are tons of other kinds of SWE jobs out there that aren't about squeezing another fraction of a percent of profit out of some process - positions with non-profits, development jobs in medical research of all kinds, or even early stage startups where you get to play a bigger role in the product development. You probably won't make FAANG money, but you can do just fine for yourself in a position where you feel like you're doing something more meaningful.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or do 99% of SWE jobs offers seem completely pointless?

#45
I would say it's not just you, 99% of jobs are totally pointless or actively harmful to the world, if you ask me. Like you say, squeezing profit out of people and absolutely nothing else. But it's not really relevant to wanting to off yourself.

Even if you get to a job with a point, like doing something meaningful or for the good of society, it's not necessarily going to feel great from day-to-day, and might be even more disillusioning (speaking from experience here). I find that I just care about it less when other things in my life are going well.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or do 99% of SWE jobs offers seem completely pointless?

#46
It's not just you. I don't know what the solution is, since I'm also looking for it, but what may help is taking more time to think. I've opted for working part-time (80% load) to have more time to spend on writing and taking my mind off of things.

Think about what are the problems that are actually worth fixing in the world and make your way up from there. Give it time, don't force it. It might also be worth checking out techniques that can help generate ideas: https://medium.com/ideas-into-action/ikigai-the-perfect-care...

And even in situations where the job itself is not that meaningful, there are lots of other areas you may be able to focus on. Building relationships, learning about how software is built...

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or do 99% of SWE jobs offers seem completely pointless?

#47
post #37

Maybe you just see capitalism for what it is [1]. If so, this might be the wrong forum for you to be asking that question on. On the other hand, not every job is unproductive busywork (despite being for profit), so maybe you're just not feeling well or you've had exceptionally bad luck? 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/

As someone who lived through communism - this kind of phrasing is really dangerous. What people complain about on /r/antiwork is problems that people from my country would kill to have. Capitalism has it's faults, but just complaining, without a constructive alternative can lead to way worse outcomes.

Worker ownership of the means of production (i.e. democracy at work) is an alternative and that's most certainly not what you lived through, nor did you live through a stateless, classless and moneyless society. What you lived through was fascism with red flags.

If you check the sidebar of that subreddit you'll find anarchism and mutualism as the solutions to the problems it identifies.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or do 99% of SWE jobs offers seem completely pointless?

#49
> but it just seems that almost every job out there is about squeezing more profit out of people

That is by definition the relationship of an employee and and employer. If they didn't make money off of you they wouldn't hire you (exceptions exist as always).

Edit: making sure i didn't missinterpret this sentence - if by people you meant customers then it's also what companies do.

> People who have really great jobs(not talking about money ofc), how did you find them

Try to abstract away the company. Raise your own bar, strive to be a great professional for your own sake, because you love your field of work. Progress your knowledge and skills for your own joy, not for your employers. Now, if you get into that mindset, even the worst company is a training ground to help you become better. It's a new level in a game. See how well you can manage in the worst possible conditions, making sure it is not taxing your mental health though.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or do 99% of SWE jobs offers seem completely pointless?

#50
You might be slightly depressed but that's not everything. The truth is that most software companies are...pointless. They're sales driven body shops talking about "mission".

I really like my job - work on innovative product lines with a small close knit team. I got here by just working on ideas/probelms that interested me and selling that company to the current one.

Go do something you like. Also go to a therapist.

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