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Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Post by concinds »

celticninja wrote: post #277
jseban wrote: post #252

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Is 1% "many"?

1 percent of the world population is 78 million people, that is many, even if you try to make it seem small by using percent. Each of those people were a member of a family, a mother, brother, father, son or similar to someone. But by your reckoning it's not many, and given Hitler killed 6 million Jews, which is a lot less than 78 million, he didn't kill that many either.

As of now, 5.5 million people worldwide died of Covid over the past 2 years (give or take a few million due to bad reporting).

It's an enormous loss of life, but a tiny number for a worldwide pandemic, especially given current travel technologies that would have made ancient plagues orders of magnitude worse than they were.

In comparison, we're talking about the targeted, deliberate, highly organized extermination of two thirds the entire Jewish race in Europe.

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Post by maxerickson »

floxy wrote: post #317
maxerickson wrote: post #69

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Omicron is dominant. Full vaccination is at about 65%, boosters are at about 25%, lower than much of Europe.

Percent of US Population At least Fully one dose Vaxed Boosted Total 75.4% 63.3% 39.5% Population ≥ 5 Years of Age 80.1% 67.3% Population ≥ 12 Years of Age 85.3% 72.1% Population ≥ 18 Years of Age 87.3% 73.8% 42.6% Population ≥ 65 Years of Age 95% 88.2% 62.7% https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-...

They say 83 million boosters given, which is ~25% of the population. They seem to be using a different denominator for the boosted number there (I guess the number of people eligible for the booster).

It's reasonable to be measuring against eligibility when evaluating progress in administering boosters, but not being eligible for a booster doesn't really make someone less susceptible to infection, so it isn't the right thing to compare across countries.

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Post by [deleted] »

jseban wrote: post #264
madeofpalk wrote: post #218

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You can be sick without dying. I don't want to get sick.

Everyone gets sick, you can't really stop that. Restricting your life from normal activities from fear of being infected with low risk cold viruses, is the very definition of hypochondria

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Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Post by s1artibartfast »

biorach wrote: post #303
bryanlarsen wrote: post #294

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> 8. It should be clear that universally containing an aerosol virus like COVID is impossible. What is possible is targeted containment, I.e. keeping nursing homes under more precautions. China has done it for pre-omicron variants, so it is possible. You and I are not willing to accept the restrictions necessary to do it and that's fine, but you cannot say it is impossible.

Whether China can keep it up until the end of the pandemic is yet to be seen

Not just until the end of the pandemic, until the end of time. Same with nz and au

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Post by smitty1e »

biorach wrote: post #309
smitty1e wrote: post #250

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The horrifying precedent is small numbers of people who do not always stand for election making highly consequential decisions for large numbers of people. Stipulate that the current crop of names all have noble intent. Not taking swipes at anyone in view. You've no guarantees of such going forward. The current situation is Checkov's Gun[1]. At some point, if we don't enjoy a collective think on where this is going,…

>The horrifying precedent is small numbers of people who do not always stand for election making highly consequential decisions for large numbers of people. Nothing new there, beaurocrats and public health officials have long had the power to make highly consequential decisions for large numbers of people. Yes we could do with some debate about the power they exercise and about how to handle the next pandemic, and th…

> Nothing new there, beaurocrats and public health officials have long had the power to make highly consequential decisions for large numbers of people.

I'll yield on the kind, but the degree with the Covid is off the charts for peacetime action.

Was this wise? Were the across-the-board outcomes worth it?

Those who made the decisions may be biased in their reflections on the matter.

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Post by dmoo »

maxerickson wrote: post #69
fbrncci wrote: post #59

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Is Delta still dominant in the US? First time I am checking the US Covid stats in months, and it seems like both deaths and hospitalizations in the US are rising. The opposite is true for most of Europe, where omicron cases are rising exponentiallly, but deaths and hospitalizations are falling flat.

Omicron is dominant. Full vaccination is at about 65%, boosters are at about 25%, lower than much of Europe.

For reference Ireland • Fully vaccinated: 18+ years: 94.8% 12+ years: 92.8% • Booster / immunocompromised: 18+ years: 67.1%

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Post by maxerickson »

tagoregrtst wrote: post #227
chrononaut wrote: post #165

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> According to the CDC (why do I trust them?) How would you (or really anyone I suppose) evaluate whether to trust the CDC or some other equivalent? Also, thanks for those numbers. I don't know why that breakdown isn't more widely pushed.

Inquiry. Using all our mental gifts to test an assertion’s truth. - Do the numbers add up? Fake numbers often don't. - Does the narrative have a logical flow? Lies often break apart (careful! Consipracy theories are often very consistent) - Aethetics. Lies are often repulsive to our soul (Nazism, socialism -> see nihlism). Careful again; sometimes its “the ugly truth” - Dialectic (for lack of a better word. Not Hegel…

You don't even read carefully!

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Post by s1artibartfast »

ramoz wrote: post #241
tagoregrtst wrote: post #127

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“US hospitalizations are at an all time high,” How do you know that? My question, really, is how do you know what you know and are not being misled? (A la WMD to use an easy, universally understood, example?) “2000 people are still dying every day,” No, they’re not. According to the CDC (why do I trust them?) its currently 500/day [1]. It hasn't been > 2000 since September in the midst of the Delta spike. But even be…

I’m just going to add, because I want the same trust in the system but it’s f’d me up. In early summer 2020, my mom passed in hospice from cancer. 4mo before that she had a fighting chance, but faced intensive surgeries (ICU for sure based on experience) and chemo — all in isolation. Literally the hospital made it that choice - family has to leave. They basically gaslighted her out. I was furious, and because the hos…

My condolences. Similar situation in my area. Hospitals preemptively shut off care for a wave that never came to them. Shameful

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Post by Cycl0ps »

jseban wrote: post #269
sweetheart wrote: post #261

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Is millions? And what about the millions of others who washed backed up but have become disabled and can’t work?

Millions out of what? Big scary number without context says nothing whatsoever.

Millions out of us.

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Post by s1artibartfast »

jycoo wrote: post #221
tagoregrtst wrote: post #210

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“ 2 years is 66% of my toddler’s life. A toddler that doesnt know what a peer’s smile is since she’s masked all day.” Check your math ;) And, seek help. Life is beautiful, but depression and deep-seeded pain (dont ask me how I know. I wont share) makes us forget this. The lockdowns have created a mental health crisis and its important we seek each other and help

it's beautiful for some people , typically living in highly privileged contexts... most people in the world never get anything worth from being born.

Get some help. Most of the world, rich and poor find meaning and satisfaction in their lives. Look at happiness surveys from poor countries
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