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Because many people they knew didn't wash safely back on the shores.
Is 1% "many"?
Is millions? And what about the millions of others who washed backed up but have become disabled and can’t work?
Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
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Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
#262Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's correct. At some point we need to look at the real data of deaths. https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ In Europe, there has NEVER been A PANDEMIC for people All care should have focused on the elderly (early treatment, access to doctors even when positive...). No restrictions (mask, mandatory vaccine, lockdowns..) makes sense for those aged under 45yo.
Looking at those graphs, it does look like it's getting there for 15-44 years too, no?
Yes, we can see that something is different in the last months of 2021.
So either Omicron, as we now that it affects younger people as well.
Or another cause...
Either way, it is close to the 2018 high. It would be bold to qualify that as a pandemic!
Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't mean to present a false dichotomy, thank you for alerting me that I may have. Slowing it down is obviously helpful and anything we can do to accomplish that is important. In Canada I'm still doing everything I can because it's not clear that we've peaked - the government is saying we have but they've also cut way down on testing so I'm not sure. In South Africa and increasingly in the UK it looks like a diffe…
> Slowing it down is obviously helpful and anything we can do to accomplish that is important. It's not that simple. It's not a matter of doing something good vs not doing it, that's what an oversimplified black and white thinking is. It's about priorities, and about looking at certain types of damage compared to other types of damage, and choosing the best path that causes the least overall damage.
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Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
#264Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's correct. At some point we need to look at the real data of deaths. https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ In Europe, there has NEVER been A PANDEMIC for people All care should have focused on the elderly (early treatment, access to doctors even when positive...). No restrictions (mask, mandatory vaccine, lockdowns..) makes sense for those aged under 45yo.
You can be sick without dying. I don't want to get sick.
Everyone gets sick, you can't really stop that. Restricting your life from normal activities from fear of being infected with low risk cold viruses, is the very definition of hypochondria
Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
#265Many (I suspect most but I only follow a few) epidemiologists are saying there's no stopping Omicron. It's more contagious than measles - if you're in a room with somebody who has it, you're exposed barring a properly fitted N95 mask. All of us will be exposed by mid February. It's also many times less pathogenic than Delta, and it's a gift that nothing at present can outcompete it. I believe it's the version that wi…
> It's also many times less pathogenic than Delta This is a misleading way to say your risk of hospitalization is about half of what it was with Delta. Vaccination is making it safer to get closer back to normal — which is why Ireland can consider it with their much higher rate of over 92% versus the U.S. 63% — but we still need to be thinking about masks and improved ventilation when it’s spreading, especially since…
> which is why Ireland can consider it with their much higher rate of over 92% versus the U.S. 63%
Source? I think you are mis aggregating data.
92% [1] of Ireland Adult population has received it-least 1 dose vs 85% [2] of the US Adult population has received it-least 1 dose.
[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58522792 [2] https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/12/who-are-the-a...
Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
#266Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is called moving goalposts. The vaccines application states it will prevent transmissions, not lesson the symptoms. If it is simply "lessoning" the symptoms which has not been my experience with Omicron, but not preventing transmission then the authorizations should be pulled until they can be resubmitted.
The clinical trials for Pfizer and Moderna were testing for severe outcomes, not transmission. The vaccines got emergency use authorization based on that. Some non-clinical studies suggested a drop in transmission (e.g. CDC study in spring 2021 which examined healthcare workers who got the jab early and were tested weekly), but it's clear now they were just picking up a transient effect, months long but wearing off t…
> What your local politicians and public health authorities misunderstood from that is their problem.
AND also my problem.
Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
#267Many (I suspect most but I only follow a few) epidemiologists are saying there's no stopping Omicron. It's more contagious than measles - if you're in a room with somebody who has it, you're exposed barring a properly fitted N95 mask. All of us will be exposed by mid February. It's also many times less pathogenic than Delta, and it's a gift that nothing at present can outcompete it. I believe it's the version that wi…
I don't think it is particularly inevitable. My youngest got it - was picked up on a lateral flow test on Christmas Eve, we had spent the day mucking about and gaming together, wrapping presents etc. None of the rest of the family tested positive to my surprise. Yes, she did isolate in her room over Christmas, poor kid.
I agree that "inevitable" is clearly too strong a statement. Furthermore, the odds of getting it depend on whether any of you are vaccinated and/or have previously had COVID (knowingly or otherwise).
Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
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> As for Rwanda, that’s moving the goalposts — there are many things which the Rwandan government has done which most of us do not approve of. I am only moving the goalpost back to its initial position. Vaccine mandates are draconian - at least when the data is so weak as for SARS-CoV-2.
> I am only moving the goalpost back to its initial position. Vaccine mandates are draconian - at least when the data is so weak as for SARS-CoV-2. No, you're conflating two separate things to try to make a weak case appear stronger. Part of living in a society is accepting restrictions on your personal choices which impact those around you. Vaccination mandates are one of the big public health success stories since…
> No, you're conflating two separate things to try to make a weak case appear stronger.
Like using Polio for making the case for mandatory SARS-CoV-2 vaccines look stronger?
Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
#269Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
#270Most of these covid discussions are generally stupid at this point. The situations are high localized and can change rapidly over the course of a few weeks. Ireland's current situation and their reaction applies solely to them.
For much of January they've had 0.4-0.5% of their population test positive per day, with 40-50% test positivity, meaning the real infections could have been 1-2% of their population per day. Very high rates of vaccines, very high rates of booster and absurdly high rates of infections means that there may not be anything left for the virus to do.
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...