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Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Post by rdedev »

fbrncci wrote: post #59
Mizza wrote: post #26

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Am I fucking crazy for not knowing what's going on any more? US hospitalizations are at an all time high, 2000 people are still dying every day, and it feels like everybody is just okay with that now. What happened? I get that everybody is tired of it, I am too, but it feels like we wasted two years of everybody's life just the take the bullet anyway.

Is Delta still dominant in the US? First time I am checking the US Covid stats in months, and it seems like both deaths and hospitalizations in the US are rising. The opposite is true for most of Europe, where omicron cases are rising exponentiallly, but deaths and hospitalizations are falling flat.

It might be better to look statewide for the US. I believe omicron is just getting started in some places. Cases in NJ are dipping down currently and my college is planning to open up by feb

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Post by t0bia_s »

guerrilla wrote: post #65
xfitm3 wrote: post #45

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You'll be taking up a hospital place for people who can't get vaccinated. That seems pretty dangerous. https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=30036474&goto=item%3Fi...

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Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Post by tagoregrtst »

meibo wrote: post #34
Mizza wrote: post #26

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Am I fucking crazy for not knowing what's going on any more? US hospitalizations are at an all time high, 2000 people are still dying every day, and it feels like everybody is just okay with that now. What happened? I get that everybody is tired of it, I am too, but it feels like we wasted two years of everybody's life just the take the bullet anyway.

I had to deal with a family member not being able to get a place in the hospital this week, even though they would have otherwise(covid unrelated) - taking care of them at home is nearly impossible. No one cares until it affects them.

Sorry about your family member, but you really must specify where this occurred.

As bad as US health care system is (and it is bad), it is ridiculously over capitalized. Compared with Canada, the US normally has 50% more ICU beds. More Dr. per capita (slightly) and a ridiculous larger number of nurses and secretaries.

Therefore, Ontario’s health care system gets overwhelmed during bad flu seasons.

In this scenario, Ontario’s recent lockdowns make (material) sense, but that doesnt mean that significant health care resources are being diverted in the US.

By over capitalized, I mean the US has insane medical facilities everywhere people live. I live within a 5 minute drive of three major hospitals, and who knowns how many minor medical centers

EDIT:

Please dont take this to be a judgement on Ontario’s health system. Before COVID both my parents were successfully treated in Ontario for cancer, for which Im grateful.

My comment is merely an illustrative example of how differences health care systems do and must affect government response

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Post by glogla »

Operyl wrote: post #125
ThunderSizzle wrote: post #88

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Not the poster you replied to, but: The very very few, of course I’d feel sorry for her but I’d not have made a different decision in pushing for vaccination. Any treatment could have adverse reactions, it’s just how it goes.

I think there's a difference in feeling bad for someone with good intentions who got unlucky (vaccine adverse effect) and someone who active tried to make to world a worse place, fucked around and found out (antivaxxe).

This whole pandemic made me realize that Paradox of Tolerance is much more general - there is also Paradox of Empathy and Paradox of Kindness and bunch others.

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Post by lambdaba »

throwaway6734 wrote: post #111
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Sure but if you need to get hospitalized due to Covid it's absurd that the rest of us need to bear that financial burden via increased insurance prices or increased taxes

what if they're actually much healthier than average (because of other personal choices)? and what about all the other bad decisions people do wrt. their health (which is what causes the vast majority of healthcare expenditures)?

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Post by acdha »

rfrey wrote: post #85

Many (I suspect most but I only follow a few) epidemiologists are saying there's no stopping Omicron. It's more contagious than measles - if you're in a room with somebody who has it, you're exposed barring a properly fitted N95 mask. All of us will be exposed by mid February. It's also many times less pathogenic than Delta, and it's a gift that nothing at present can outcompete it. I believe it's the version that wi…

> It's also many times less pathogenic than Delta

This is a misleading way to say your risk of hospitalization is about half of what it was with Delta.

Vaccination is making it safer to get closer back to normal — which is why Ireland can consider it with their much higher rate of over 92% versus the U.S. 63% — but we still need to be thinking about masks and improved ventilation when it’s spreading, especially since kids are still unable to be vaccinated.

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Post by ricardobayes »

Mizza wrote: post #26
akmarinov wrote: post #7

At this point, you’re either vaccinated, have been sick or are dead, so all good. With Omicron beating out Delta and not causing as many hospitalizations - sure, why not.

Am I fucking crazy for not knowing what's going on any more? US hospitalizations are at an all time high, 2000 people are still dying every day, and it feels like everybody is just okay with that now. What happened? I get that everybody is tired of it, I am too, but it feels like we wasted two years of everybody's life just the take the bullet anyway.

I think the key might be prevalence of obesity sadly as that's a common co-morbidity in the US, more so than anywhere else.

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Post by ls15 »

acdha wrote: post #141
ls15 wrote: post #131

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I just recovered from Omicron and I was vaccinated. I am not sure what your grandparents are going to tell me. That I should get another shot of the vaccine that did not prevent the disease?

That you should be glad that your vaccination made you an order of magnitude less likely to have a severe case? Polio didn’t kill most people either.

> That you should be glad that your vaccination made you an order of magnitude less likely to have a severe case?

For Omicron? And even if. It is great if it is a result of my personal decision to get vaccinated. It is awful to force others to get vaccinated, especially if most claims regarding efficacy get weakened a lot over time and people ignore that. Vaccine mandates and mandatory passports everywhere have failed and we should be happy about that.

Who also supports forced vaccinations like in Rwanda?

https://www.dw.com/en/rwanda-forcibly-vaccinating-people-aga...

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Post by t0bia_s »

aurelianito wrote: post #96
anovikov wrote: post #40

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Because now there are no restrictions to speak of left and it can't go much worse. No ground for apocalyptic scenarios anymore. Also, it's entirely up to people themselves if they want to be protected or not: Omicron is so transmissive, it doesn't matter for transmission if people are vaccinated or not - whatever impact it has on transmission is of little consequence - everyone is going to get infected, anyway (maybe…

In order for that to be true, unvaccinated people should not be hospitalized.

Just two year of propaganda to be so hateful online. Do you know what hapened in history when segregation was main gonverment propaganda? Just stop it.
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