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New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Post by loudtieblahblah »

ypcx wrote: post #48

Life (aging) is a direct cause of cancer. And we can't change that unless we have some sort of nanobots constantly repairing DNA damage in every single cell of our body.

You realize the human body has a process thst cleans out damaged and misbehaving cells. Autophagy. This process is kicked off during periods of not eating.

We both expose ourselves to too Many toxins, eat too often, and don't get the right balance of nutrients over the long term.

If you can positively impact these things, then you can lengthen health span and lifespan.

Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Post by enkid »

jb1991 wrote: post #37
Zenst wrote: post #24

This would be born out with a lower average cancer rate in populations that do not drink alcohol. So one would expect cultures that do not of forbid drinking would have a lower rate of cancer. Alas it is hard to nail down that date due to various factors and types of cancer and equally, associated health care. So a high cancer death rate in one country compared to another, maybe due to health care as well, so really…

I’ve often heard it mentioned that the church of Latter Day Saints is a religious culture that abstain from alcohol and caffeine, and their life expectancy is many years longer than average, by a decade or so, even when they live amongst others in the same country and otherwise have similar environmental influences.

Do you have any actual evidence of this?

Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Post by rco8786 »

ypcx wrote: post #48

Life (aging) is a direct cause of cancer. And we can't change that unless we have some sort of nanobots constantly repairing DNA damage in every single cell of our body.

Deep thoughts here.

Life (aging) is a direct cause of death. And we can’t change that. Might as well die.

Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Post by _0w8t »

tejtm wrote: post #21
mateo1 wrote: post #9

The only thing I learned from this study is that the 20% of the Chinese can't drink.

and that is selection. Chinese were first to rely on fermented grains to be food at least 6k years ago. good strategy -- there are time when every calorie you can get counts. bad strategy -- its addictive and toxic. solution? favor those who could consume it to avoid starvation, but would not touch it otherwise because it is so unpleasant (instant hangover). Meanwhile brewing alcohol only started maybe 3k years ago i…

The body produces alcohol when oxydising carbohydrates. Granted, the amount is small (few grams), but it indicates that there is in fact a dose to consume that stays below the saturation limit for the body to safely deal with alcohol.

Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Post by Bissaka »

thret wrote: post #42
dsq wrote: post #28

Comparing Islamic societies (alcohol forbidden) with others should be a good basis for research. Also, non Islamic sub cultures in Islamic countries (Copts in Egypt, Maronites in Lebanon).

Not really, because they are more likely to lie about how much alcohol and or drugs they take. I have lived in two Muslim countries now and I don't know any Muslims who don't drink in private. I doubt they'd admit to it on a survey though.

I'm 40 years old who is a muslim. I spent half of my life living in a muslim/arab country and the other hald in the west. Here is what I've seen:

1- Of all the people I know where I grew up in the arab country, probably only 2-3 drunk. This does correlate with the data [1]. But those 2-3 people did drink heavily. Could you back your personal experience with some stats?

2- Alcohol in the arab world has a different meaning. In the arab world it would be more like: "hey there is this poison, let's drink to forget about my issues and lets do that in hiding". While in the western world, it's more "let's meet for a drink and have a little fun".

3- There is no drinking culture in the arab world. This is because there are limited number of bars/pubs and people do not consume it openly. Not in weddings, gatherings or barbeques. A minority will come already drunk to a wedding (see point 1)

4- Islam is big on forbiding Alcohol. Not only that, but there is this idea that alcohol can stay up to 40 days in your body (never verfied this claim). Hence why a lot of people who actually drink, stop drinking 40 days before Ramadan starts. While a lot of muslims don't pray, the majority do fast and hold onto Ramadan. Bars and Pubs actually close a month before Ramadan too. The drinkers I knew, did actually follow this rule.

5- Yes, I know, you probably knew that guy in high school who was an arab and a heavy drinker. And that is correct. But the data and what I've seen in arab countries correlate more with point 1 above. Alcohol is so frowned upon, that even people who like to drink don't want to show it to their kids or neighbors. It's rare to have an arab family buy alcohol and put it in the fridge. Alcohol is also not available in supermarkets or anywhere except in bars. I lived in >1mil city and we had 3 bars.

6- There is a weird association in arab countries between Alcohol and Violance/Agression. WHich is some time true.

I never understood this obssession with Alcohol. Because I just wasn't used to it. It's so bizzare that I had to explain myself all the time on why I'm not drinking.

[1] https://ourworldindata.org/alcohol-consumption

Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Post by paulcole »

jb1991 wrote: post #37
Zenst wrote: post #24

This would be born out with a lower average cancer rate in populations that do not drink alcohol. So one would expect cultures that do not of forbid drinking would have a lower rate of cancer. Alas it is hard to nail down that date due to various factors and types of cancer and equally, associated health care. So a high cancer death rate in one country compared to another, maybe due to health care as well, so really…

I’ve often heard it mentioned that the church of Latter Day Saints is a religious culture that abstain from alcohol and caffeine, and their life expectancy is many years longer than average, by a decade or so, even when they live amongst others in the same country and otherwise have similar environmental influences.

They eat sugar like fiends to make up for it.

Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Post by yonaguska »

bigodbiel wrote: post #50
tejtm wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and that is selection. Chinese were first to rely on fermented grains to be food at least 6k years ago. good strategy -- there are time when every calorie you can get counts. bad strategy -- its addictive and toxic. solution? favor those who could consume it to avoid starvation, but would not touch it otherwise because it is so unpleasant (instant hangover). Meanwhile brewing alcohol only started maybe 3k years ago i…

Wait, so are you saying all the Chinese alcoholics drove themselves to extinction?

You could probably reproduce before cancer gets you, so unlikely.

Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Post by jonahbenton »

Bissaka wrote: post #56
thret wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, because they are more likely to lie about how much alcohol and or drugs they take. I have lived in two Muslim countries now and I don't know any Muslims who don't drink in private. I doubt they'd admit to it on a survey though.

I'm 40 years old who is a muslim. I spent half of my life living in a muslim/arab country and the other hald in the west. Here is what I've seen: 1- Of all the people I know where I grew up in the arab country, probably only 2-3 drunk. This does correlate with the data [1]. But those 2-3 people did drink heavily. Could you back your personal experience with some stats? 2- Alcohol in the arab world has a different mea…

Great comment. Am curious about smoking/tobacco consumption?
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