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New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Your assumption that excessive alcohol consumption is stigmatized in China is wrong. Drinking is very common and not done in hiding.

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Is this even a serious question/discussion? I am not pro-china but I can't help but notice the us-induced narrative to just hate-spam russia and china as totalitarian states purely based on the socioeconomic differences. This meme isn't even funny.

Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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> it has been difficult to establish whether alcohol directly causes cancer, or if it is linked to possible confounding factors (such as smoking and diet) that could generate biased results.

> It was also unclear whether alcohol is linked to other types of cancer, including lung and stomach cancers.

If smoking was a confounding variable, shouldn't we see an increased risk of smoking-related cancers?

Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Beginning of abstract:

Two genetic variants that alter alcohol metabolism, ALDH2-rs671 and ADH1B-rs1229984, can modify oesophageal cancer risk associated with alcohol consumption in East Asians, but their associations with other cancers remain uncertain.

Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Would anyone really self report excessive alcohol consumption accurately in China? Isn’t there an incentive to lie to bolster your social credit? Or are there guarantees in China against medical surveillance?

Implying that people here are so happy and proud of being alcoholics...

Yeah, but it was expected to hear some "China bad" stuff in a thread about Chinese people - not even the government or the system. Hence, I dont believe you at all when you say "Government bad, people okay".

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Would anyone really self report excessive alcohol consumption accurately in China? Isn’t there an incentive to lie to bolster your social credit? Or are there guarantees in China against medical surveillance?

I think your question has some very specific variables that aren't really helpful. How about making it more generic: Would people really self report excessive alcohol comsumption accurately?

Talking privately to researchers, in China, may mean the government knows, which may effect social credit.

This would not happen elsewhere, and thus, is a valid question. Would this effect, uniquely, reported numbers in China?

Thus the parent post made a sensible logical point.

Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Would anyone really self report excessive alcohol consumption accurately in China? Isn’t there an incentive to lie to bolster your social credit? Or are there guarantees in China against medical surveillance?

Your assumption that excessive alcohol consumption is stigmatized in China is wrong. Drinking is very common and not done in hiding.

Your two sentnces are not the same thing.

Drinking != excessive consumption. Telling us drinking is not stigmatized, is meaningless.

Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Is this even a serious question/discussion? I am not pro-china but I can't help but notice the us-induced narrative to just hate-spam russia and china as totalitarian states purely based on the socioeconomic differences. This meme isn't even funny.

I am not claiming that the CCP meetings are full of drunks, I am just asking how far "excessive" alcohol consumption is supposedly accepted behavior. I would be seriously surprised if that was accepted.

Sorry for not being clear about that.

Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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I think your question has some very specific variables that aren't really helpful. How about making it more generic: Would people really self report excessive alcohol comsumption accurately?

Talking privately to researchers, in China, may mean the government knows, which may effect social credit. This would not happen elsewhere, and thus, is a valid question. Would this effect, uniquely, reported numbers in China? Thus the parent post made a sensible logical point.

Not really dissagreeing here. But still, the specifics of these variables might derail from the actual question at hand. Do people actually self report accurately regardless of state? That why i just mentioned that i think these specifics aren't quite useful

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this even a serious question/discussion? I am not pro-china but I can't help but notice the us-induced narrative to just hate-spam russia and china as totalitarian states purely based on the socioeconomic differences. This meme isn't even funny.

I am not claiming that the CCP meetings are full of drunks, I am just asking how far "excessive" alcohol consumption is supposedly accepted behavior. I would be seriously surprised if that was accepted. Sorry for not being clear about that.

Chinese people are just like any other people. That’s also true of most of the planet. Have you spent any time living in East Asia? Perhaps you ought to.

Re: New genetic study confirms that alcohol is a direct cause of cancer

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Would anyone really self report excessive alcohol consumption accurately in China? Isn’t there an incentive to lie to bolster your social credit? Or are there guarantees in China against medical surveillance?

Implying that people here are so happy and proud of being alcoholics... Yeah, but it was expected to hear some "China bad" stuff in a thread about Chinese people - not even the government or the system. Hence, I dont believe you at all when you say "Government bad, people okay".

I'm sorry, what point are you trying to make? Where is "here" in your first sentence?

The social credit system is somewhat unique, and it is not a stretch to say drinking to excess may not be regarded as a favorable characteristic. This may disincentivize individuals from reporting the behavior. I am similarly curious, and fail to see how this is derogatory to either the Chinese government or its people.

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