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Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Somebody here on HN recently shared the notion that leetcode tests are a legal way to discriminate by age or lifestyle, as older and well-rounded developers do not have the time or inclination to grind on such things.

I don't understand what you mean here - would a company not want a well rounded developer ?

We are expensive, tend to tell the younger devs to tell each other their salaries and not put up with bad management.

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Whoa, it seems like you might want to be careful with politics creeping into your decision making. I'm seeing several of your posts here and it seems like you are making the inference "worked at FAANG" -> "horrible person", and while I have never worked at FAANG I have many friends I respect who have, and eventually left though it took some time. It feels like you might be making an ad hominem attack here.

If you can make it into a FAANG/MAMAA/whatever flavor of the year acronym, you can make it into most tech companies (and still make a salary that's more than enough to live a dignified life and support yourself, and family if you have any). Working at Facebook as a software engineer is a choice; just like working at a bulge bracket investment bank is a choice. The type of people that choose to work at either of these…

> If you can make it into a FAANG/MAMAA/whatever flavor of the year acronym, you can make it into most tech companies (and still make a salary that's more than enough to live a dignified life and support yourself, and family if you have any).

Not actually true for early career SWEs, especially those that switched from a non-CS field. Because FAANG relies so much on coding puzzles, they are often the best option for someone that is self-taught without formal training. Since they often have a large recruiting pipeline, they are often the easiest places to get interviews without any connections, too.

I would also add that their ability to sponsor H1Bs is unmatched.

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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"everyday life it’s still very prestigious place to be working at. Getting a mortgage or a car loan is easy, saying you work for Facebook gets you on the fast line." I once felt that way but after leaving FAANG years later, I realized how snobby something like this would sound.

I’m not sure what this means. Getting a mortgage and a car loan was easy, a car loan approval took no time at all. Does working at FAANG speed this process up somehow?

At my FAANG company / Bank, in addition to just the paystubs being nice, it also did come with actual benefits including a lower rate on mortgage offers. I have no idea if they would extend them to anyone if pressed, but these kinds of offers tied to the company do exist.

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Somebody here on HN recently shared the notion that leetcode tests are a legal way to discriminate by age or lifestyle, as older and well-rounded developers do not have the time or inclination to grind on such things.

I don't understand what you mean here - would a company not want a well rounded developer ?

The large companies don't need tens of thousands of system architects. They need tens of thousands of coders who can do what they're told on small parts of a system without fussing too much about the bigger picture. I think that's what OP is referring to—leetcode filters for young developers who don't need to understand all the reasons why they're doing what they're doing.

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Glad to see this was about working at FB / Meta rather than being a user. Just for personal interest. Newish dev doing my first attempt at a FAANG interview. Wondering if I should be trying for FaceBook as long as Im bothering to study. Had a very positive-feeling convo with a recruiter there ~6mo ago before "Meta". Sounds like it might be a negative thing to have on your resume now though? Any thoughts?

> Sounds like it might be a negative thing to have on your resume now though? Among all your potential future interviewers, the percentage of those who would judge you negatively for a Facebook work experience is vanishingly small - be mindful of the HN echo chamber. Besides, you probably don't want to work in those places anyway. (Not that it's necessarily bad to hate Facebook, but if your manager can't separate the…

Thanks for the sincere response! :)

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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I’m not sure what this means. Getting a mortgage and a car loan was easy, a car loan approval took no time at all. Does working at FAANG speed this process up somehow?

No. Nobody cares about the specific company when you are getting a loan.

That was not my experience - see my sister comment. Some companies advertise explicit perks to FAANG employees hoping to win their business, including things like waving fees. I don't know if they would have negotiated the rate down anyways but I was quoted at a better mortgage rate in part because of my employment.

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Glad to see this was about working at FB / Meta rather than being a user. Just for personal interest. Newish dev doing my first attempt at a FAANG interview. Wondering if I should be trying for FaceBook as long as Im bothering to study. Had a very positive-feeling convo with a recruiter there ~6mo ago before "Meta". Sounds like it might be a negative thing to have on your resume now though? Any thoughts?

I think it is unfashionable right now, but doesn't really deserve it. I think twitter is more toxic and reddit has bigger echo chambers. Perhaps in a few years everyone will settle down a bit.

Thats a refreshing perspective to see in this thread. Thanks for the input :)

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Sure. What I mean by top-tier pay is essentially paying well above average to fewer, higher quality people. I’d rather have 2-3 expert engineers making 2x pay than 10 mediocre engineers making 1x pay. There is a sweet spot where you can scale with one expert in each domain, and if that “expert” is well compensated they can replace an entire engineering dept.

I was previously at the top of the salary band for Sr. Software Engineer at a decent big company, making 1.7-2x mediocre engineers I know elsewhere. Joining FB, my total comp (400kish) is an ample 5x mediocre in my area, and I hear thats normal across FAANGs. I know 2x is still ridiculously high, even 1x is a very reasonable amount to live on, but 2x doesn't compare to 5x.

Sounds like you’re making bank now.

The problem is that, you sound like are expecting me to respect you.

You sold out, sure you got some more cash for your trouble so congrats I guess. I just want you to be honest about what you did.

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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"everyday life it’s still very prestigious place to be working at. Getting a mortgage or a car loan is easy, saying you work for Facebook gets you on the fast line." I once felt that way but after leaving FAANG years later, I realized how snobby something like this would sound.

Whenever I see a post talk about prestige, especially with a capital P, I can't help but think about Blind polls and prestigehunt. There's something about the word I can't take seriously...

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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This man had 8+ years at Facebook and they still made him do programming questions? What is wrong with our industry?

I have 38 years in hardware design, most of that doing ASIC design in Verilog. I've been with my currently employer 19 years, but if I found myself in an interview I'd expect them to ask me technical questions. If they didn't ask them, it would be a red flag. What if they asked me an "offensively" basic question? Great, I can make quick work of it, no insult taken. It has happened to me only once that I interviewed s…

'Asking technical questions' is quite a bit different than shoving a code editor in front of a candidate's face, and the interviewer all but saying "The computer will decide your fate."
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