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Post by Swizec »

ipnon wrote: post #180
gzer0 wrote: post #98

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The issue is the sheer number of fradulent and stuffed credentials people have begun using, and applying, en masse to job positions. To be clear, I dislike the current way interviewing is, but do you have a better solution to screen out 7,000 applicants? The vast majority will be knocked out by the leetcode style interview, and sure, some brilliant minds might fail because they can't remember linked lists in the mome…

I think the distinction to be made is between the process of finding the best out of 7,000 and finding someone sufficient out 7,000. The first is surely extremely expensive for companies. The second can be done in a week or two. I think the anecdotal evidence shows though that no company can accurately do the first, and the gamification of this process is a deeply researched topic, so it's likely that a company that…

> Coding is hard, but so is marketing, accounting, management ... But are your marketing candidates being put through the ringer too? I suspect software engineers are being uniquely hazed.

My girlfriend works on the business strategy side of Fortune500’s. Our interviews look like a joke compared to theirs.

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Post by vanusa »

gzer0 wrote: post #98
elb0w wrote: post #79

It always blows my mind how most interview in our field. When I first started in tech I was afraid to talk about not knowing leetcode to my peers. 15 years in and I now can confidently say I’ve yet to meet someone who thinks these are a valid metric. Why do we make this the gate keeper to our industry when we know (except for the very specific roles) we will rarely need leet code type problems. When we do we just goo…

The issue is the sheer number of fradulent and stuffed credentials people have begun using, and applying, en masse to job positions. To be clear, I dislike the current way interviewing is, but do you have a better solution to screen out 7,000 applicants? The vast majority will be knocked out by the leetcode style interview, and sure, some brilliant minds might fail because they can't remember linked lists in the mome…

from 7,000 -> 70

Do you have any hard data behind that ratio?

Or are you just kind of ... making those numbers up?

Because they, you know, "feel right"?

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Post by me_me_mu_mu »

neilv wrote: post #184
dannyw wrote: post #85

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At some point in your career, you have the ability to simply reject leetcode-like tests. Just politely decline.

Is this the point in your career when you have so much money that you don't actually need a job?

I mean how much money is enough money? You have FAANG tier people crying about TC - at some point it becomes clear that's their whole identity. Maybe they're just sad to be stuck in horrible cities (I'm also in one of them lmao) where no amount of TC buys them peace and happiness. It is pretty cringey, and honestly sad. I've been to so many meetups which basically turn into grieving sessions for highly paid engineers to cry about how their friend got an offer for xx amount while they make 6x the average US person in a year.

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Post by zionic »

dc-programmer wrote: post #139
zionic wrote: post #116

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I’ve written all of my companies guidelines. I explicitly codify that the hiring of former surveillance capitalism mercenaries is a fireable offense. “But the equity was great” is not an excuse.

Does your company collect information about users?

Wherever possible we treat all data as a liability, removing it as quickly as we get it.

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Post by scollet »

Barrin92 wrote: post #197
Aperocky wrote: post #112

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> At Facebook I could get by barely working a few hours a day. But the job was so unsatisfying This is a little too first world. if the work were too sparse and wants more work, why not join interview loops or take classes/training, attend talks? Does Meta not have those options? The frustration feels almost artificial, if one does not want to get more work, then maybe just go boating or mountain biking. Watch some s…

> if the work were too sparse and wants more work, why not join interview loops or take classes/training, attend talks? because it's never that easy. If you try to get work from somewhere else maybe your manager starts to think you're bored or not interested, you definitely can't just leave and go mountain biking because then you look even lazier. So at the end of the day in every gigantic organization a substantial…

> bug business

Ship it

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Post by twy_new_fb_hire »

zionic wrote: post #149
kbrackbill wrote: post #77

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If you can stomach it, you should absolutely do it. Having one of the tech giants on your resume has definitely been a strong positive in my experience and you can't beat the comp.

Counterpoint: if you can avoid it keep FAANG off your resume. I’ve always made sure to hit top-tier pay and a FAANG entry on your CV is an instant disqualification.

Would you mind sharing what top-tier means?

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Post by [deleted] »

dahdum wrote: post #22

I didn’t see retirement addressed, that would be among my top priorities personally. Unless he’s already financially independent and can retire at will, taking a 30% paycut off FB’s top 5% comp could mean delaying retirement by many years. Given fixed living costs, retirement savings could easily drop by much more than 30%. I’m not disagreeing with his choice, it’s a personal one and he may not want early retirement,…

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Post by sockgrant »

zionic wrote: post #161
unmole wrote: post #126

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Can you please name your company? I haven't worked at FAANG but I most definitely would not want to work for a company like yours.

Not going to dox myself. > I haven't worked at FAANG I doubt that. > but I most definitely would not want to work for a company like yours. You do you. But I make sure we pay way above average, I want the best people and the best people don’t work for Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, and Google.

What’s the pay for someone with 10-15 years experience and is “the best people”?

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Post by throwaway2333 »

SMAAART wrote: post #117

> Most recruiters are terrible. They send generic job descriptions if there’s a matching word in your resume. I’m very surprised the market didn’t push the recruiter game up. There’s so much room for improvement! Yeah, why is that? Same for most Realtors.

Sales funnels.

You can only nudge conversions to each successive "step" so much. Once you've reached diminishing returns, the only thing left to do is get more leads into the funnel -- grind the process out/pick up the phone and dial.

Feast or famine jobs also don't lend themselves well to "long-term thinking." If something is working, don't break it, just keep on going and make that paper. If something isn't working, you don't have the time/soundness of mind to figure it out, just keep on going (or else you won't be able to pay your bills).

Jobs are a commodity and the only selling point is price/pay -- making it one of the worst things to "sell" (the "best"/easiest things to sell are the antithesis of this).

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