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Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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ericmay wrote: post #403

Really disappointed in many of the negative and insecure comments coming from members of this community saying “Ohio sucks” or “Ohio State University sucks because it’s not Stanford” or “how many startups does Ohio have”. It really reflects poorly on those making these comments and I can’t help but think seeing a state not on the east or west coast being selected is causing fear and uncertainty in the lives of those…

I live out in the mid-West many years ago. It actually offers a lot of what people claim is missing on HN - affordable housing, low crime, good public schools, community, better work-life balance.

I’m assuming most people bitching about have never been there.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by pm90 »

enkid wrote: post #257
planetsprite wrote: post #253

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However it's misguided. Cost of labor is still 10x higher than a plant with the same productivity in a relatively poorer country. American manufacturing is mostly indirect social welfare now, it's not economically efficient.

Is cost of labor really one of the major costs of a semiconductor plant? Plants in South Korea and Taiwan are economical and they have relatively high labor costs, so I'm not sure I buy this.

The only reason it’s not in China is because they don’t have ready access to the technology that allows for this. All the “fabulous” chip makers in Asia are all US allies.

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Post by nebula8804 »

barsonme wrote: post #469
nebula8804 wrote: post #337

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>Our plants are in rural areas and everyone is struggling to hire, from auto to bakeries. This is a solved problem isn't it? Just pay people more and treat them with dignity and respect. The pandemic has given a lot of people the opportunity to realize that they do not have to settle for poorly paid jobs that treat people poorly. You should have realized and adjusted by now. If you cannot accommodate to these require…

That’s true if you’re talking about, like, Burger King or something. But even places that treat their workers well are even having problems. Not everything is black and white.

Can you give some examples? From what I see, most of the lack of supply is at the unskilled level.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by Armisael16 »

tmp538394722 wrote: post #286
mNovak wrote: post #255

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Fun fact, Ohio was supposedly high on the Soviet nuke target list, because of Wright Patterson AFB, which houses the Air Force Research Lab (and aliens). I have an old Soviet invasion map of central Ohio, marking all potential airfields etc.

The small town I grew up in also had a specific Soviet doomsday theory. Which in hindsight, doesn’t feel very plausible. In the wake of the George Floyd protests family talked about their concern that out of state “Antifa looters” were spotted driving down the interstate headed right for them. I don’t mean to call you a liar, Im sure there indeed are some obscure targets, and your home might be one. I do think it’s a…

An Air Force base hosting one of the nine major commands doesn’t seem like an obscure target…

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colechristensen wrote: post #444
nebula8804 wrote: post #332

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If you are on the winning end of that bloat life is pure happiness and joy. But if you are on the losing end (ie. not employed/a beneficiary of these firms) then you are paying dearly for the joy that others have.

I would think a lot of people benefit from the motivation for companies to geographically diversify. A lot of the bad things about the Bay Area boil down to people willing to put up with a whole lot because of a group delusion that a certain kind of thing can only happen there.

>I would think a lot of people benefit from the motivation for companies to geographically diversify.

Yes like I said there is the "in group". Is that "a lot" of people, I wouldn't say so. Namely the people who are employed or benefit financially from these orgs. If you are paying for the bloat via the government which is the customer of these defense orgs, it is effectively a tax on everyone else.

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Post by pm90 »

azemetre wrote: post #234
sanp wrote: post #188

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also, resiliency against adverse action in the Senate. they now have 4 senators who are unlikely to vote on anything damaging to Intel

This is an interesting point I never thought of before. Now I wonder if the tech giants would have faired better politically if they weren't all co-located in one of the most politically polarizing areas of the country.

Honestly? They should be spread out. There is no reason for FAANGS to be located in mega campuses in the Bay Area. Let people who eg graduate from Midwestern colleges have the option of working in the Midwest (or returning there), pay them equally well. This would create so much economic activity in areas that really need it instead of simply enriching the landlords in the Bay.

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Post by thehappypm »

FullyFunctional wrote: post #498
coldtea wrote: post #441

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> and the rest of the country is a dump pile Which is especially ironic, considered how much of a shithole San Francisco has become

This is getting old. I've lived in the Bay Area for 20+ years and guess what, the Bay Area != San Francisco (I personally go to SF less than once every two years).

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Post by thehappypm »

BostonEnginerd wrote: post #434
ericmay wrote: post #403

Really disappointed in many of the negative and insecure comments coming from members of this community saying “Ohio sucks” or “Ohio State University sucks because it’s not Stanford” or “how many startups does Ohio have”. It really reflects poorly on those making these comments and I can’t help but think seeing a state not on the east or west coast being selected is causing fear and uncertainty in the lives of those…

The Midwest makes some sense for building fabs. The two largest inputs are power and water - and the midwest has plenty of both. There's a small but thriving fab community in Minneapolis. Hilariously, there isn't much in the way of fabs left in Silicon Valley. Those aren't suitable for any production. The last high volume fab to close was the Linear Technologies fab out in Milpitas. There's a Raytheon fab in Lompoc C…

Where does the power come from? Hydro on Great Lakes? Wind? Natural gas from fracking?

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by pm90 »

colechristensen wrote: post #444
nebula8804 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are on the winning end of that bloat life is pure happiness and joy. But if you are on the losing end (ie. not employed/a beneficiary of these firms) then you are paying dearly for the joy that others have.

I would think a lot of people benefit from the motivation for companies to geographically diversify. A lot of the bad things about the Bay Area boil down to people willing to put up with a whole lot because of a group delusion that a certain kind of thing can only happen there.

It’s not a delusion. While it’s true that you can start a business anywhere, being in the vicinity of people who have a ton of experience is very useful. There’s a reason why people move to LA to make it in entertainment or to NYC to make it in finance.

That said, for a non startup technology job, yes, no reason to be in the Bay. That work can be done from anywhere.

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