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Danish government makes its new economic model open source

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Re: Danish government makes its new economic model open source

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Post by simonklitj »

futharkshill wrote: post #7
erdos4d wrote: post #3

I wonder if this includes Christiania, the billion Euros of cannabis sold there each year, and the big lift all those drug tourists impart on the local service industry. Beautiful place by the way, would recommend.

Why is it that all weed enthusiasts always believe that MJ has any relevance to the, in this case Danish, economy? The amount of MJ use in Denmark is minimal compared to other countries, and certainly there is no where near "billions" of Euros sold. Certainly "drug tourists" make little to no impact on the tourism of Copenhagen.

Maybe drug tourism has little impact, but 24% of adolescents report that they’ve used it in the past year, and 41% report they’ve tried it. With it being illegal, there’s no doubt that a fair amount of money is being moved around society shadily because of it.

Source (from 2015): https://www.dst.dk/da/informationsservice/blog/2015/12/narko...

Re: Danish government makes its new economic model open source

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Post by salt-thrower »

futharkshill wrote: post #8
gunfighthacksaw wrote: post #2

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An actual belief in this is ridiculous, and taking light on literal war and anti democratic effort and meme'ing it as "freedomed" is absolutely disgusting. You know that these are real human beings we are talking about right?

I think that's part of the (dark) joke - "freedom" being the reason that the United States always gives before destabilizing a region and propping up corrupt dictators or puppet democracies which are anything but "free."

Re: Danish government makes its new economic model open source

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Post by em500 »

Note that the model is implemented in GAMS[1], a proprietary language focused at constrained optimization problems (think Matlab, but more niche). This makes it a non-starter for most interested outsiders.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Algebraic_Modeling_Sys...

Re: Danish government makes its new economic model open source

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Post by whimsicalism »

futharkshill wrote: post #8
gunfighthacksaw wrote: post #2

Quoted post unavailable.

An actual belief in this is ridiculous, and taking light on literal war and anti democratic effort and meme'ing it as "freedomed" is absolutely disgusting. You know that these are real human beings we are talking about right?

You entirely misread the comment.

Re: Danish government makes its new economic model open source

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Post by harles »

simonklitj wrote: post #11
futharkshill wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it that all weed enthusiasts always believe that MJ has any relevance to the, in this case Danish, economy? The amount of MJ use in Denmark is minimal compared to other countries, and certainly there is no where near "billions" of Euros sold. Certainly "drug tourists" make little to no impact on the tourism of Copenhagen.

Maybe drug tourism has little impact, but 24% of adolescents report that they’ve used it in the past year, and 41% report they’ve tried it. With it being illegal, there’s no doubt that a fair amount of money is being moved around society shadily because of it. Source (from 2015): https://www.dst.dk/da/informationsservice/blog/2015/12/narko...

It’s probably still less than what an average adolescence spends on burgers.

Re: Danish government makes its new economic model open source

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Post by hjort-e »

erdos4d wrote: post #3

I wonder if this includes Christiania, the billion Euros of cannabis sold there each year, and the big lift all those drug tourists impart on the local service industry. Beautiful place by the way, would recommend.

Christiania is like the least beautiful place in the country...

Re: Danish government makes its new economic model open source

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Post by cs702 »

Wow, cool! The model is specified as a constrained nonlinear optimization problem for which a solution is found using high-quality proprietary numerical solvers.[a] All partial differential equations specifying the model have a basis in economic theory or in heuristics and approximations shown to be consistent with reality. Parameters come directly from (what I assume is a large amount of) economic data collected by the Danish government.

The authors working for the Danish government deserve an A+ for making their code and assumptions public, along with comprehensive high-quality documentation.[b] It was a delightful surprise to click on the link and find... a carefully curated repo.

I have only one nitpicking: This looks like the kind of project that should have been -- and in fact probably should be -- implemented in Julia, instead of in a proprietary language. I suspect many heuristics and approximations could be more accurately modeled by ML components, interspersed between equations, as has long been proposed by Julia folks like Chris Rackauckas.

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[a] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30028188

[b] https://media.githubusercontent.com/media/DREAM-DK/MAKRO/mai...

Re: Danish government makes its new economic model open source

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Post by mediocregopher »

This is amazing! Whether or not every aspect of it is fully open-source, this is a great step forward towards governments being more transparent about how decisions are being made, and citizens being directly able to make positive contributions to that process.

Re: Danish government makes its new economic model open source

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Post by _dw7s »

zardo wrote: post #10
aliceryhl wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What actually happened to them? It is unclear to me how this could harm Denmark.

A CIA assisted fascist coup followed by tens of thousands of murders by the new government to secure power. Not to say that's a good model for Denmark in 2022, but that's what happened in Chile in 1973.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn

"The system was most useful in October 1972, when about 40,000 striking truck drivers blocked the access streets that converged towards Santiago. The strike was supported by the Patria y Libertad group and at least partly funded by private donors who had received money from the CIA.[5] According to Gustavo Silva (executive secretary of energy in CORFO), the system's telex machines helped organize the transport of resources into the city with only about 200 trucks driven by strike-breakers, lessening the potential damage caused by the 40,000 striking truck drivers"

Fascinating stuff.

Afterwards, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta... happened, to prove to the whole world how badly democratic socialism works.

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