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FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned
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Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned
#92Don't know about different Jurisdictions, but from where I am - this has NO legal binding whatsoever. We have those gov issued digital, invisible signatures for that, embedded in our personal ID card. Whatever is properly signed with digital signature, the printed out page bears no legal force. Anyway, businesses still like to do it this way ("Signing" pdf by applying some pixels). I wonder if it is just an inconveni…
I'm in the US and as far as I know, a digital signature is completely valid. [edit: ~it's the same way here.~ Misinterpreted parent comment.] Yet Ford repeatedly insisted I print out the documents, sign them, and scan them. I tried a digital signature anyway - and they called me out on it.
Yup, there was a literal act of congress that made e-signatures legally valid but it's not worth arguing with anyone who asks for an "ink" signature ime.
Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned
#93I really hate dealing with my printer (or any printer for that matter), so I make pretty liberal use of my drawing tablet at this point. I import the PDF into Krita, use the ballpoint pen brush, and sign. I export to PNG, then use an imagemagick script to rotate it some random number between 1-3 degrees, and add noise onto it to look like a scan. It's a pain, but it's still less annoying than dealing with a printer.
I have a png of my signature, and I just paste it into the pdf, and submit that. Haven't run into a complaint yet, and I don't have to print anything.
I should probably do that. I've always hesitated because the paranoid part of me thinks they'll catch on to it being digital if I have to sign in ten different places and they see that the signature is literally identical for each one. My Krita solution, while annoying, allows for me to have a slightly different signature for each one, for each form I sign, allowing it to pass all but the most judicious level of forensics.
Granted, no one is going CSI on anything I sign. I should probably just make like ten pngs of my signature and paste those in.
Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned
#94Don't know about different Jurisdictions, but from where I am - this has NO legal binding whatsoever. We have those gov issued digital, invisible signatures for that, embedded in our personal ID card. Whatever is properly signed with digital signature, the printed out page bears no legal force. Anyway, businesses still like to do it this way ("Signing" pdf by applying some pixels). I wonder if it is just an inconveni…
I don't know where you live but in the EU eIDAS regulation sees a scanned document as a Simple Electronic Signature (SES). This is the most basic possible form of signing which is accepted. So within the EU a scanned document is valid though the law does say the method used needs to be proportional to whats at stake. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIDAS
I've noticed that the court documents issued by civil courts in Turkey have electronic signatures with signed hashes for each of the signatories (judge, clerk and all else) in every document. To make people not freak out, they seem to have also added a PNG image of a slightly smeared generic wet-ink looking signature above the hash so it looks real on first sight. But if you look closely the signatures are all the same, and the signature says e-imza (e-signature) in cursive. Heh.
Another cool thing, the whole document itself does have a hash where you can go to the website of the ministry of justice and input the hash to verify the document. It was unexpectedly neat.
Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned
#95I had another version of this at the DMV. They needed to see bills that offered proof of my residence (ie power/water/etc). Turns out they wanted them to be mailed to you, which wasn't going to work because I do paperless billing for everything. So I printed them out and tri-folded them as if it had been in an envelope.
People in front of me in line got turned away for using printed bills, but mine worked just fine.
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#96Would be nice if one could add some stego-like features to the inserted signature img so that if lifted it would be detectable in a new pdf. Obviously the savy forger could circumvent it pretty easily but the lazy screenshooting crook would not notice.
Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned
#97By signed, it doesn't mean digitally signed, right?
Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned
#98My go to these days is just open gimp -> use my tablet pen -> save again to PDF. I've never been questioned.
If you have a Microsoft Surface you can just open PDFs with Edge, draw on them with the pen, and save them. It's such a nice feature!
Makes me actually like signing things. And it's also wonderful for sending feedback on stuff.
Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned
#99Don't know about different Jurisdictions, but from where I am - this has NO legal binding whatsoever. We have those gov issued digital, invisible signatures for that, embedded in our personal ID card. Whatever is properly signed with digital signature, the printed out page bears no legal force. Anyway, businesses still like to do it this way ("Signing" pdf by applying some pixels). I wonder if it is just an inconveni…
I don't know where you live but in the EU eIDAS regulation sees a scanned document as a Simple Electronic Signature (SES). This is the most basic possible form of signing which is accepted. So within the EU a scanned document is valid though the law does say the method used needs to be proportional to whats at stake. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIDAS
Comments in this sub-thread need to distinguish between two dimensions to a signature: is it capable of legally binding the signatory? In most cases, any format will do. Is it going to be easy to enforce (I.e., to prove it was you that signed, and not your dog headbutting your mouse?) That's a damn sight harder, and many forms of (legally valid!) E-signature might not be accepted for that reason. Depends how much assurance is needed in the circumstances.
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#100I think I have witnessed the apogee of bureaucratic obsessions with printing and signing. I sent an email to what is similar to the IRS in my country and they answered by typing up the answer, printing it, signing and stamping it, scanning it and attaching it to the reply in my email.