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No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #826
dahart wrote: post #808

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There is no dissonance here, this is FUD. The language is wildly different because the actual risks are wildly different. One kills a lot of people and the other doesn’t. How many people are actually dying from air travel radiation? The numbers are low enough that they’re hard to find evidence for. Here’s a study, for example, that attempted to answer the question for pilots, who obviously fly frequently. They weren’…

Great comment. Way too much of HN is invested in "nanny state bad and corrupt" justified with FUD-like narratives. There's always this low-simmering culture war here. And really, air travel radiation is the hill these types of people want to die on? The problem with conservative forums like HN is eventually you get on this treadmill of "and so and so isn't so bad" be it alcohol, smoking, Hitler, etc that's a mix of i…

> The problem with conservative forums like HN

Not terribly on topic, but I've been lurking here for more than a decade, and today I learned that it's a conservative forum. And on top of that, it has the same problems inherent to conservative forums (fora?). Weird.

Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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Post by mc32 »

robocat wrote: post #859
dahart wrote: post #827

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With over a billion smokers on the planet, or ~20% of the population, it’s not that absurd to worry about urban smoke outdoors contributing to urban pollution. Nor wood burning house & backyard fires either, nor cars, but that’s a different debate… We aren’t around smokers once in a while, we’re around them constantly . Even urban outdoor second hand smoke really is a higher risk than air travel radiation. Yes I want…

I wish it were acceptable to complain about stinky purfumes and body sprays. They fill the air with volatile organic compounds. Plenty of people are happy to chuck on something smelly while hypocritically complaining about other types of smells. Some cause allergies (hayfever) in me to the point I have to leave an enclosed space or suffer consequences. I know friends that get headaches from them.

Hear, hear! Some are worse than others, some don't bother much, but lots of perfumes give me headaches.

Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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Post by throwawaylinux »

dahart wrote: post #827
dionidium wrote: post #813

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First of all, this is a good and fair pushback. But I’d respond that I chose secondhand smoke for a reason. I similarly doubt there’s any measurable impact of being around a smoker every once in a while, but the language around secondhand smoke got more and more hysterical leading up to the widespread implementation of smoking bans, to the point that it’s not uncommon today to hear people complain that walking near a…

With over a billion smokers on the planet, or ~20% of the population, it’s not that absurd to worry about urban smoke outdoors contributing to urban pollution. Nor wood burning house & backyard fires either, nor cars, but that’s a different debate… We aren’t around smokers once in a while, we’re around them constantly . Even urban outdoor second hand smoke really is a higher risk than air travel radiation. Yes I want…

It's not absurd to worry about it, it is absurd to say there is no safe exposure level and leave it at that. Especially because so many people smoke it is important to be informed about the actual risks of second hand smoke.

If I'm walking down the street do I need to cross the street if I see someone approach with a cigarette? If I'm at a bar and smell smoke coming in should I leave?

Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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Post by robocat »

Xixi wrote: post #842
dionidium wrote: post #669

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If you want to feel some dissonance about this, you might note that this is the exact language the CDC uses for things like secondhand smoke -- "There is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke" -- which everybody nods along to and accepts without much scrutiny. Source: https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/seco... Meanwhile, when it's something like, say, cosmic radiation exposure from c…

Just speculating here, but doesn't it have something to do with accumulation in the body? Your body obviously can't accumulate radiations. It also does process and eliminate the like of ethanol and many other substances. That's not the case, I believe, for heavy metals like mercury, lead or arsenic, that are eliminated much more slowly (if at all?). That's why you can enjoy lychees by eating a few everyday if you fan…

The damage from smoking is accumulative. I have noticed it in the skin of young female smokers after a few years of heavy smoking. You can see it's affects on some other parts of the body over longer periods.

Drinking a lot of alcohol has a similar effects as tobacco on your health, and on the skin. If you know a heavy drinker then they quit for six months and then you see their face, there is noticeable rejuvenation. There are patterns of looks to older people that drink at pubs frequently.

Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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Post by gadflyinyoureye »

function_seven wrote: post #786
recursive wrote: post #589

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It's obvious to me that it reduces my stress . No study could convince me otherwise.

Always interesting when one group reports a subjective phenomenon, and someone else refutes their experience by pointing to an X mg/dL change in some serum test. Obviously the experience is what matters, not what the machine says. Alcohol increases cortisol levels? Ok, all I know is I feel nice and relaxed right now. Of course if I overdo it, or do it too often, then the next day will demand the debt repaid, or my ba…

You can get the same benefit of relaxed by making or buying a hops tincture in MCT Oil. The hops are what make a pilsner feel really relaxing. The pulse side is you don't have the harm from the alcohol.

Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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Post by mapme »

ncfausti wrote: post #841
andbberger wrote: post #814

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It's not unreasonable to equate the two. The necessity of driving in western cities is very much a design choice that could reasonably be considered to be a public health crisis. It's not an inherent property of the world.

Have you ever been to an asian city? I can assure you, there are (100s of millions of) people that rely on vehicles/driving for their livelihood. To equate the necessity of drinking alcohol with that of mobility is absurd.

Actually in Japan you could argue drinking was somewhat required for their livelihood lol it’s different than driving requirements but interesting nonetheless

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ameliemarieintokyo.com/en/nommu...

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Post by timpattinson »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #861
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #826

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Great comment. Way too much of HN is invested in "nanny state bad and corrupt" justified with FUD-like narratives. There's always this low-simmering culture war here. And really, air travel radiation is the hill these types of people want to die on? The problem with conservative forums like HN is eventually you get on this treadmill of "and so and so isn't so bad" be it alcohol, smoking, Hitler, etc that's a mix of i…

> The problem with conservative forums like HN Not terribly on topic, but I've been lurking here for more than a decade, and today I learned that it's a conservative forum. And on top of that, it has the same problems inherent to conservative forums (fora?). Weird.

While i wouldn't agree that HN is a conservative forum, there is certainly a lot more conservative-leaning material posted here than similar tech-focused forums.

See any thread about California, Texas, diversity & affirmative action, COVID, etc.

Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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Post by Brian_K_White »

robocat wrote: post #859
dahart wrote: post #827

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With over a billion smokers on the planet, or ~20% of the population, it’s not that absurd to worry about urban smoke outdoors contributing to urban pollution. Nor wood burning house & backyard fires either, nor cars, but that’s a different debate… We aren’t around smokers once in a while, we’re around them constantly . Even urban outdoor second hand smoke really is a higher risk than air travel radiation. Yes I want…

I wish it were acceptable to complain about stinky purfumes and body sprays. They fill the air with volatile organic compounds. Plenty of people are happy to chuck on something smelly while hypocritically complaining about other types of smells. Some cause allergies (hayfever) in me to the point I have to leave an enclosed space or suffer consequences. I know friends that get headaches from them.

Right. And where is the "no safe level of exposure to perfume" PSA?

It's entirely rational to suspect the motives and veracity of statements like this.

Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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Post by wolverine876 »

nitrogen wrote: post #774
wolverine876 wrote: post #761

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Sure, but not high on the list of priorities. How about enabling people to get healthcare, go to college, or to survive by addressing global warming.

"Stop everything above this line on Maslow's pyramid because some people fall below the line" is not a solution to any of the problems faces by people below the line. It's like demanding that an astrophysicist cure AIDS at once before ever using another telescope. You don't help people climb a ladder by chopping off the top and declaring the ladder climbed.

If someone said those crazy, extreme things, that would be a relevant comment.
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