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No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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Post by justinpombrio »

chainwax wrote: post #738
thomaspaine wrote: post #129

For everyone complaining about evidence citation, this is just a press release. The actual brief which includes 41 citations is here: https://world-heart-federation.org/wp-content/uploads/WHF-Po...

I saw this from this link: https://world-heart-federation.org/news/no-amount-of-alcohol... In that article, it states: "Alcohol has a greater impact on people from low socio-economic backgrounds, who are more likely to experience its adverse effects compared to people from higher socio-economic backgrounds, even when consuming similar or lower amounts." Can someone provide some insight here? What does your wage have…

It cites this paper:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32504585/

which says in its abstract: " Individuals with low socioeconomic status (SES) experience disproportionately greater alcohol-attributable health harm than individuals with high SES from similar or lower amounts of alcohol consumption." and "Alcohol use explained up to 27% of the socioeconomic inequalities in mortality. The proportion of socioeconomic inequalities explained systematically differed by drinking pattern, with heavy episodic drinking having a potentially significant explanatory value."

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Post by meowface »

afcapel wrote: post #789
idontwantthis wrote: post #778

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Secondhand smoke is the cost of being in a bar outside of the US. Good luck making friends with European expats without some secondhand smoke.

In general European countries have bans on smoking in public places much stricter than the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans#Smoking_b...

I don't know what the laws are, but the amount of smoking centimeters away from the entrances of buildings in Europe was staggering to me as an American. Both from patrons and employees. I was breathing in smoke plumes pretty much everywhere.

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Post by josephcsible »

TameAntelope wrote: post #693
mattmaroon wrote: post #682

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The CDC has been unfortunately hopelessly politicized. It happened long before the pandemic. OTOH, I would make the differentiating point that air travel has positive benefits to society and costs and one has to weigh those against each other. You can’t make the blanket statement “earth would be better off if air travel went away completely.” It’s hard to find any benefit to smoking, first hand or second, so it’s eas…

This isn't politics, it's safety. I accept the argument that the CDC has become overly innumerate in how to live a healthy life, but it's not a liberal or conservative idea to be cautious.

Safety becomes politics once acting in "unsafe" ways becomes illegal.

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Post by josephcsible »

pvarangot wrote: post #783
kaba0 wrote: post #717

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Is the risk for the two even remotely in the same ballpark?

Well, it depends on how much you smoke and how much you travel. Thing is if I smoke even one cigarette like as a digestive after a big dinner once every four months I have to pay 600 dollars of extra health insurance per year because of how all this bullshit messaging about how nicotine works. And of course it's to protect something like only 35% of the human population that will get addicted to it. I stopped smoking…

> Well, it depends on how much you smoke and how much you travel.

I find it hard to believe that smoking could be less dangerous than flying even for people who work as airline pilots or flight attendants.

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Post by Fricken »

xyzzyz wrote: post #745
dleslie wrote: post #730

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We should be discouraging all air travel. All of it.

No, we shouldn’t. Instead, we should work on ensuring that as many people are able to enjoy new opportunities it provides if they do desire as possible. Everyone should be able to enjoy life.

My favorite thing about air travel is the opportunities it takes away. Destroying the planet is so important to the future of humanity

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Post by GekkePrutser »

jimmaswell wrote: post #748
thrashh wrote: post #739

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We’re not talking smoking though We’re talking second hand smoke Who exactly is looking to get some second hand smoke in their face while avoiding actually smoking?

I seem to be in a small minority, but I always liked the smell of second hand smoke despite never smoking. I've smelled some cigarettes up close and I think I'd really like them, but I don't want to start for health reasons.

Me too. I liked the smell. And the bars used to be less 'clear' due to the smoke. They had more atmosphere.

I did hate the way my clothes smelled afterwards but anyway that's what a washing machine is for.

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Post by tshaddox »

idontwantthis wrote: post #778
thrashh wrote: post #739

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We’re not talking smoking though We’re talking second hand smoke Who exactly is looking to get some second hand smoke in their face while avoiding actually smoking?

Secondhand smoke is the cost of being in a bar outside of the US. Good luck making friends with European expats without some secondhand smoke.

You don't need bars or luck to make friends with European expats.

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Post by GekkePrutser »

derefr wrote: post #824
dionidium wrote: post #813

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First of all, this is a good and fair pushback. But I’d respond that I chose secondhand smoke for a reason. I similarly doubt there’s any measurable impact of being around a smoker every once in a while, but the language around secondhand smoke got more and more hysterical leading up to the widespread implementation of smoking bans, to the point that it’s not uncommon today to hear people complain that walking near a…

> to hear people complain that walking near a smoker on a sidewalk outside is a risk to their health Doesn't have to be the smoke itself that's harmful. Presumably, if you can smell someone's second-hand smoke, you're also inhaling the bacterial spray contained in their breath, no? Something I think about if I'm walking outside without a mask on and end up stuck walking for a while behind a smoker. I tend to put my m…

That's what our immune system is for.

Covid is a problem at the moment but bacteria really aren't. Your chance to die from a bacterial infection randomly caught from someone in the street is minimal, and exposure boosts your immunity. And they are everywhere anyway.

You might get a cold for a few days but that's life.

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