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The mystery of social behavior in octopuses

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Re: The mystery of social behavior in octopuses

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Why would that be better to not have them? It sounds a bit presumptive of a universal morality rather than a logical statement.

It's not an insane idea that octopuses might not enjoy being stuffed into what amounts to a studio apartment for their entire life.

They are also notorious for finding increasingly cleverer ways of escaping aquariums. Which again adds to the case that an aquarium is not a suitable environment.

Re: The mystery of social behavior in octopuses

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An even better aquarium owner wouldn't have them at all. My Octopus Teacher is a fantastic look into the life of an octopus, their intellectual capacity, and their propensity to interact with humans.

Why would that be better to not have them? It sounds a bit presumptive of a universal morality rather than a logical statement.

>It sounds a bit presumptive of a universal morality rather than a logical statement.

Logical statements just by themselves are for Logicians and/or theorem provers.

But they're also useless by themselves (just an axiomatic rule sustitution game).

To have any value in human life they are combined with utility functions, morality, and other such things.

Re: The mystery of social behavior in octopuses

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Octopi are remarkably intelligent creatures, as any good aquarium owner will tell you.

(waiting for the recurring comments, that 2 x octopus -> octopodes or octopuses but not octopi since it's not latin 2nd declension, but rather misspelled greek)

Doesn't it actually come into English from Latin (in its later academic/international use, rather than the classical language)?

But in any case, it's English, not Latin or misspelled Greek, and octopi seems to at least be the oldest evident English plural of octopus, AFAIK, though octopuses seems to be experiencing current popularity, and octopodes is just...no, though the suggestion once made that English ought to adopt octopods, wasn't bad, but never caught on.

Re: The mystery of social behavior in octopuses

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When humans are social with humans, are they reaching out or simply reacting?

I changed the title from "Can We Really Be Friends with an Octopus?" to "When octopuses are social with humans, are they reaching out or simply reacting?" (the subtitle, more or less) in the hope of avoiding shallow comments like this. (A comment reacting purely to information, or lack of information, in a title is pretty much shallow by definition.)

Since that didn't work, I guess it's time to look for some more representative phrase from the article text.

Edit: ok, I've combined two phrases from the article to try to that. Commenters: please discuss the actual material now.

Re: The mystery of social behavior in octopuses

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I'd say ask the Octopi first. Wait, can't do that? But you were about to do it anyway ? That's why you can't be friends.

"Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The mystery of social behavior in octopuses

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An even better aquarium owner wouldn't have them at all. My Octopus Teacher is a fantastic look into the life of an octopus, their intellectual capacity, and their propensity to interact with humans.

Why would that be better to not have them? It sounds a bit presumptive of a universal morality rather than a logical statement.

For my purposes, because their short lifespan and particular needs make them pretty bad pets IMO. Never mind the moral arguments for keeping such intelligent animals in captivity.

Re: The mystery of social behavior in octopuses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would that be better to not have them? It sounds a bit presumptive of a universal morality rather than a logical statement.

Octopuses are known to not live very long in captivity.

Though they also don’t live long in the wild either. Fascinating creatures.

Re: The mystery of social behavior in octopuses

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post #34

When humans are social with humans, are they reaching out or simply reacting?

I changed the title from "Can We Really Be Friends with an Octopus?" to "When octopuses are social with humans, are they reaching out or simply reacting?" (the subtitle, more or less) in the hope of avoiding shallow comments like this. (A comment reacting purely to information, or lack of information, in a title is pretty much shallow by definition.) Since that didn't work, I guess it's time to look for some more rep…

… in the hope of avoiding shallow comments like this.

Shallow? It’s profound.

Have you tried to respond to the question, in the human context?

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