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No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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That's a hard argument to make. "2nd hand smoke" is (for now) unavoidable (though has decreased dramatically over the last decade or two). "2nd hand alcohol" is not really a thing at all. We choose to drink it, or we choose not to (ignoring heinous acts of coerced drinking).

Having a fireplace, barbecue, outdoor fire pit, or going camping with a campfire, are all situations where people intentionally choose to engage in activities that cause them to inhale smoke. Those activities might contribute to a healthy lifestyle in the whole. Similarly, social activities that include alcohol consumption can be analyzed as a whole, without the pretense that they can always be made 'dry'. There is n…

Tobacco smoke and fire smoke are generally entirely unrelated from a health perspective.

Going to a wine tasting is a decision to drink wine (though if it occured at someone's house rather than a public or commercial facility, I could imagine that the hosts might accomodate a non-drinking partner or something like that).

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Although I live in a place where weed is legal, I don’t use it. I enjoy the occasional glass of a nice scotch, though, and I love a good stout or porter beer. This is where it gets a little strange for me: by every metric I can think of, I’d be better off replacing alcohol with weed. There seem to be fewer negative effects, it’s not a source of empty calories, and looks like a better recreational drug in every way. A…

Well, media has been recently overwhelmed by studies showcasing the benefits of weed so that the disadvantages of using it appear to be lower or none at all, but that's not really the case. If smoked, you're smoking tar and volatile compounds that can harm the lungs, much like a regular cigarette - although you're probably not going to smoke a pack of 20 joints in a single day like the moderate-to-heavy smoker next d…

The schizophrenia and memory loss part seems to be for very heavy usage.

AFAIK infrequent use of edibles has no down sides.

Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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Ah ok, then I misinterpreted.

Yeah, OP is spot on. It's not really EVERYONE either, but I'd say the majority of people I know really like some version of the "doctors don't know what they're talking about" argument. Things are weird now with COVID and the politics around this stuff. You'll probably see more of these attitudes on the right, but the idea that doctors don't know what they're talking about, and change their recommendations all the ti…

I've found this is one area where (far) left and (far) right overlap, actually. Maybe not in the exact specifics, but in a general mistrust of professional medicine.

Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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Although I live in a place where weed is legal, I don’t use it. I enjoy the occasional glass of a nice scotch, though, and I love a good stout or porter beer. This is where it gets a little strange for me: by every metric I can think of, I’d be better off replacing alcohol with weed. There seem to be fewer negative effects, it’s not a source of empty calories, and looks like a better recreational drug in every way. A…

Imagine being haunted by Nancy Reagan in 2022.

"You had to be there, man."

It wasn't just her, but that the US went all-out stigmatizing weed. According to the DARE program, after 2 marijuanas you might as well be shooting up heroin. (Note: this spectacularly backfired, as plenty of kids tried weed and didn't die, figured the whole thing was a lie, and then tried harder drugs that are much less forgiving.)

I don't think a thing about other people using weed. I'm sure plenty of my friends and coworkers in the Bay Area do, and they're all awesome and productive people. It still feels weird for me, though, after a lifetime of being told it was bad.

Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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Fair point, I was thinking of just smoking, and not other forms of consumption.

I get it. When I think of weed, my first mental image is still of someone passing a joint or bong around. I was surprised at how many measured dose options there were, though. Want a bag of watermelon gummy candies with X mg of THC? They’ve got you covered. I do wonder how much variance there is in those. Is that 5.0 mg += .1mg, or “eh, about 5 on average”. It’s easy to dose alcohol as you know how much alcohol is in…

Worth noting, for many people there is a significant difference in experience with edibles vs smoked/vaped weed.

My recommendation is to not overthink it. If you're curious at all, go spend $7 on a single pre-roll, light it up, and try it out. There's plenty of unpleasant-ness in it for a first timer, but if you like being high, then you'll probably want to do it again.

Dosing for smoking is pretty easy; take a few puffs and wait ten minutes. If you don't feel what you want, take a few more puffs. You don't need to understand your mg dose unless you become pretty habitual

Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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"it’s not a source of empty calories" Until you get the munchies...

Hah, fair point. The Jack in the Box around the corner advertises: - Late night “munchie meals” ( https://jackinthebox.fandom.com/wiki/Jack%27s_Munchie_Meal ) - Delivery until 3 AM. That can’t be a healthy combination.

I avoid the munchies mostly by drinking a crap load of water, which I need to do anyway to keep my sensitive throat from getting sore.

Microwave popcorn is also only about 400 calories a bag!

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You're already giving a bad example to your kids by drinking alcohol. That's fine. They'll grow up and decide what to do. If they'll drink themselves senseless there must be a bigger problem than seeing you drink alcohol in small quantities. I certainly am not doing all the mistakes I saw my father's doing and I hope my kids will grow up to be responsible adults which will make their own decisions. I never lived in a…

I’m torn on the setting an example bit. My parents never drank at all, that I know of. Growing up I was led to believe that you drank either never or always , like there was no middle ground. I wish someone had told me or demonstrated that it’s OK and normal to have the occasional drink and then stop. We’re fortunate to live in a house with a yard. If I were going to smoke or vape, it’d be on the back deck. I wouldn’…

My parents drink wine at every meal… there is never water at their table! And yet I have never seen them drink any alcohol without food… my perception when I was young was that wine was just another beverage. As an adult now I pretty much follow their example… I don’t drink if I am not dining… but unlike them I do it onto certain or twice a week.

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I am fine with abstinence as a general recommendation, but critical thinking pointed out two issues with the WHF Policy Brief, which I suppose I have read in sufficient depth: 1. There is no citation on the sentence, "Recent evidence has found that no level of alcohol consumption is safe for health." This is really the only line we are interested in. 2. There is no comparison on the effects of alcohol on the body by…

A lot is riding on the unspecific usage of "safe" here.

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I feel like alcohol consumption isn't taken as seriously since its been legalized, but its incredibly destructive. The only thing I've really seen get talked about is driving while drinking. This hits very close to home to me because I am currently taking care of our kids while my wife had to fly across the USA to help with her Uncle's funeral. He was a high functioning alcoholic for many years until he joined AA and…

I think the problem is the culture of alcohol in some countries… in Southern Europe has a culture of wine as part of a dining experience rather then as a recreational drugs and the effects are that has a lower alcoholism rates than countries where it is more seen as recreational (like Northern Europe or the US).

I live in France, we have wine served at the company’s cantine… no one is ever drunk!

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholis...

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