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SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Re: SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Post by fignews »

froh wrote: post #16
nix23 wrote: post #5

openSUSE Leap openSUSE Tumbleweed openSUSE MicroOS openSUSE Kubic Ranger/SUSE K3os SUSE EnterpriseLinux SUSE Liberty Linux ...a bit too much no? BTW: The name is horrible...hell, even "Pop OS" is better

Why? Tumbleweed is the rolling baseline. SLES is the major release branched off that, every 2 years. Leap is a regular release of tumbleweed, rebased to SLES, to get current packages. MicroOS is a configuration and repackaging of dunno, leap probably So they have one baseline, all of them, openSUSE Liberty Linux is a repackaging of rocky Linux, no? Which ad I said, suse had been doing already before. And the ranger/k…

MicroOS is actually based on Tumbleweed. It’s immutable/atomic. I’ve been checking it out and am super impressed. Fits a lot of my use cases.

Re: SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Post by cferr »

larrydag wrote: post #20

is rpm vs deb distros still a thing? I haven't used a SUSE OS in quite some time.

The package format only really matters to packagers anymore I think. RHEL and SUSE are both RPM based though. The difference which matters to users is the package manager on top, which for RHEL is dnf (formerly yum) and on SUSE it's zypper. They're both competent package managers in my opinion.

Re: SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Post by lillecarl »

tharne wrote: post #26
faho wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it's not "Pop OS". It's "Pop!_OS".

Has anyone at Sysytem76 ever explained the genesis of this awful name? I really like Pop!_OS, but the name is just terrible.

I mean in reality it's just a name, and the short version "pop" is a good name. But I guess the background story would be interesting anyhow.

Re: SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Post by lproven »

LavaStain wrote: post #38
tyingq wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Also, doesn't this offering prove there isn't vendor lock-in? It's non-trivial to build a RHEL clone in a way that doesn't infringe on RHEL trademarks and still has timely delivery of security patches, etc. Centos did that, and was broadly used. RedHat acquired Centos in 2014. Then more recently, they completely changed what CentOS was (clone of current/stable RHEL) into a development branch that was ahead of RHEL.…

I don't disagree with anything you said, but my take on their lock-in argument is they're saying that once you install RHEL, and pay for the support from Red Hat, you are stuck with it. It is very easy to stop paying for support and attach your existing RHEL servers to other repos. That's what the use case of Liberty Linux seems to be: stop paying RH, keep your existing RHEL servers, pay us instead. It really can be…

> That's what the use case of Liberty Linux seems to be: stop paying RH, keep your existing RHEL servers, pay us instead.

No, I don't think so. If a company is a happy RHEL customer, why would they switch?

I think the targets are:

* CentOS Linux users who are upset that CentOS Linux was prematurely EOLed and don't want to pay RH as a result. Or pay Oracle, come to that.

* Companies with a mix of CentOS Linux, maybe some RHEL, and some SUSE, for whom this gives them a choice of moving to all-SUSE distros rather than all-RHEL distros.

* SLE customers who need some RHEL-compatible boxes for some stuff that only supports RHEL and RHEL clones, who can now keep it inside the SUSE family.

Re: SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Post by _-david-_ »

I'm confused by what this actually is. When you read the official Suse pages [1] [2] it almost sounds like it is support for various distros not an actual distro.

>Running and maintaining a heterogeneous OS environment is hard; but your diverse workloads depend on it. With SUSE Liberty Linux, you get a world-class support and management solution for your entire Linux estate – from the core to the cloud and all the way to the edge – with no vendor lock-in

>SUSE Liberty Linux is a new technology and support offering that provides customers a unified support experience for managing their heterogeneous IT environments. With SUSE Liberty Linux, you get trusted support with optional proven management tools that are optimized for mixed Linux environments, including Red Hat Enterprise Linux, CentOS, and as you would expect openSUSE and SUSE Linux Enterprise Server.

[1] https://www.suse.com/products/suse-liberty-linux/

[2] https://www.suse.com/c/suse-liberty-linux/

Re: SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Post by brnt »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #37
paulcarroty wrote: post #18

I used to use Tumbleweed and can't say nothing bad, very solid system. Also remember many high-note IRC public discussions with one SUSE high rank employee :) They deserve to be more popular, probably marketing & sales teams ain't good enough. This Centos clone after 6 months seems like another failure. Enough clones, go ship some killer-features.

>They deserve to be more popular, probably marketing & sales teams ain't good enough. Man, I love OpenSUSE, with Tumbleweed being my go-to distro, but in general, German software companies, absolutely suck at successfully marketing/selling their stuff on he international stage, with SAP probably being the only notable exception. They're good at capturing the conservative local corporate market, who usually prefers to…

Which Dutch tech companies are those? None maintain Linux distros AFAIK.

After a decade of Ubuntu I spend 2021 distrohopping, and found my new home at Opensuse. Tumbleweed really is the bleeding edge without the blood for me. Leap is an excellent choice for more appliancy machines.

Re: SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Post by downrightmike »

Veen wrote: post #2

This is good news, I suppose. But why should users trust SUSE to maintain a free RHEL clone for the long term when Red Hat came to the conclusion it was bad business. Once bitten, twice shy.

Red Hat came to the conclusion it was bad business.- Is this really why they chose to do it? Streams make more sense with the modern environment. Fedora is upstream, then centos then RHEL. RH is doing a stepped approach which makes sense because no one can remember all domains and forsee all problems. -Bad business is what Microsoft is doing by dumping broken patches on end users to test in production after MS liquidated their QA testers.

Re: SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Post by brnt »

SloopJon wrote: post #39
taubek wrote: post #32

I don't quite get it, is the base SuSE or RHEL? I've always liked SuSE so we will see what will come out of this.

The article says that it's RH userland with an RH-compatible kernel built from SUSE sources: > All of the userland of the new distro will be built from Red Hat's official Source RPMs (SRPMs), with the exception of the kernel. That comes from SUSE's own SLE enterprise distribution, currently on version 15 SP3, but compiled using a Red Hat-compatible configuration.

Wonder what the particular reason for this is. If you're compiling from RH sources, might as well keep the kernel, no? I'm sure for some compatibility with it is important.

Re: SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Post by csdreamer7 »

gtirloni wrote: post #36
gilrain wrote: post #35

I feel like the only sysadmin in the world who was fine with the idea of CentOS Stream, switched my servers seamlessly, and have had zero issues or concerns since.

Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. Some environments simply can't live with that risk.

If an org has that kind of risk, shouldn't they be paying for their OS?

Re: SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Post by gilrain »

gtirloni wrote: post #36
gilrain wrote: post #35

I feel like the only sysadmin in the world who was fine with the idea of CentOS Stream, switched my servers seamlessly, and have had zero issues or concerns since.

Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. Some environments simply can't live with that risk.

CentOS Stream is just a hair’s breadth from as stable as CentOS ever was… anyone who wants to quibble with the size of the hair should just buy RHEL.
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