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SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Re: SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Post by turbinerneiter »

retrac wrote: post #29
znpy wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK is mostly used in Germany, where SuSe has a strong take due to the average german person strongly preferring german-native stuff. It looks like a cultural to me, in many times when I have interacted with people from Germany in a business context it just seemed that they are perfectly capable of speaking english but they just don't want to.

> it just seemed that they are perfectly capable of speaking english but they just don't want to Due to the similarity of German and English, German speakers can superficially appear far more competent in English than they actually are. (This goes both ways.) Speakers of both languages come to the other with about half of the grammar (including hard bits that usually betray non-natives like irregular verbs by vowel u…

As a German native speaker, I like to break German-as-a-foreign-language speakers brains with delayed verbs.

Sadly, this style also makes my English bad^^

Re: SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Post by dahlem »

tharne wrote: post #26
faho wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it's not "Pop OS". It's "Pop!_OS".

Has anyone at Sysytem76 ever explained the genesis of this awful name? I really like Pop!_OS, but the name is just terrible.

Maybe it is meant to be wahrholesque?

Re: SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Post by mathattack »

paulcarroty wrote: post #18

I used to use Tumbleweed and can't say nothing bad, very solid system. Also remember many high-note IRC public discussions with one SUSE high rank employee :) They deserve to be more popular, probably marketing & sales teams ain't good enough. This Centos clone after 6 months seems like another failure. Enough clones, go ship some killer-features.

My experience was that their sales and marketing were amongst the sleaziest in the industry. Perhaps their commercial reputation precedes them?

Re: SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Post by gtirloni »

gilrain wrote: post #35

I feel like the only sysadmin in the world who was fine with the idea of CentOS Stream, switched my servers seamlessly, and have had zero issues or concerns since.

Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. Some environments simply can't live with that risk.

Re: SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

paulcarroty wrote: post #18

I used to use Tumbleweed and can't say nothing bad, very solid system. Also remember many high-note IRC public discussions with one SUSE high rank employee :) They deserve to be more popular, probably marketing & sales teams ain't good enough. This Centos clone after 6 months seems like another failure. Enough clones, go ship some killer-features.

>They deserve to be more popular, probably marketing & sales teams ain't good enough.

Man, I love OpenSUSE, with Tumbleweed being my go-to distro, but in general, German software companies, absolutely suck at successfully marketing/selling their stuff on he international stage, with SAP probably being the only notable exception.

They're good at capturing the conservative local corporate market, who usually prefers to "buy local" anyway, but they never seem to understand that the same German practices just don't work on the international tech stage that's more tuned to the Anglo-sphere way, especially in the consumer space.

As a counter example, Dutch and Scandinavian tech companies seem to be way better at competing in the international race and gaining international adoption, than German tech companies.

Maybe it would help if they would be less conservative and more open minded to new things, like the Scandinavians, but seeing as living in Germany still involves sending letters and faxes to open/close contracts, using cash, while fast, cheap fiber internet is still a pipe-dream, I doubt things are changing too soon over there to make Germany a software juggernaut.

At least they make solid luxury cars that don't immediately fall apart. :)

Re: SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Post by LavaStain »

tyingq wrote: post #30
LavaStain wrote: post #28

But is this actually a new distro? Take a look at their product page: https://www.suse.com/products/suse-liberty-linux/ Besides the name, it reads like a support offering paired with patching/automation tooling. Also, doesn't this offering prove there isn't vendor lock-in? Sounds like marketing FUD.

>Also, doesn't this offering prove there isn't vendor lock-in? It's non-trivial to build a RHEL clone in a way that doesn't infringe on RHEL trademarks and still has timely delivery of security patches, etc. Centos did that, and was broadly used. RedHat acquired Centos in 2014. Then more recently, they completely changed what CentOS was (clone of current/stable RHEL) into a development branch that was ahead of RHEL.…

I don't disagree with anything you said, but my take on their lock-in argument is they're saying that once you install RHEL, and pay for the support from Red Hat, you are stuck with it. It is very easy to stop paying for support and attach your existing RHEL servers to other repos. That's what the use case of Liberty Linux seems to be: stop paying RH, keep your existing RHEL servers, pay us instead. It really can be that easy hence my argument that there isn't lock-in. But frankly the only reason we're having this discussion is because SUSE's marketing and description for this product is way too vague and possibly misleading.

Re: SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Post by SloopJon »

taubek wrote: post #32

I don't quite get it, is the base SuSE or RHEL? I've always liked SuSE so we will see what will come out of this.

The article says that it's RH userland with an RH-compatible kernel built from SUSE sources:

> All of the userland of the new distro will be built from Red Hat's official Source RPMs (SRPMs), with the exception of the kernel. That comes from SUSE's own SLE enterprise distribution, currently on version 15 SP3, but compiled using a Red Hat-compatible configuration.

Re: SUSE announces Liberty Linux, new distro for those who miss the old CentOS

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Post by krageon »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #37
paulcarroty wrote: post #18

I used to use Tumbleweed and can't say nothing bad, very solid system. Also remember many high-note IRC public discussions with one SUSE high rank employee :) They deserve to be more popular, probably marketing & sales teams ain't good enough. This Centos clone after 6 months seems like another failure. Enough clones, go ship some killer-features.

>They deserve to be more popular, probably marketing & sales teams ain't good enough. Man, I love OpenSUSE, with Tumbleweed being my go-to distro, but in general, German software companies, absolutely suck at successfully marketing/selling their stuff on he international stage, with SAP probably being the only notable exception. They're good at capturing the conservative local corporate market, who usually prefers to…

German engineering is good because it is conservative without losing a forward gaze. You see these effects socially and you lament that it isn't something else (from the examples, the ideals that the US like to espouse), but it wouldn't be what it was then. As a whole, it is what produces the OS you like.
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