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New Data: Google+ Public Posts Decrease by 41% Over Past Two Months

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Re: New Data: Google+ Public Posts Decrease by 41% Over Past Two Months

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Am I the only one who is a bit disappointed with the slow speed of development of G+? When it launched a lot of users were quick to point out some of the larger issues they were having, and as of yet not much has been done to fix them. Have a look at their what's new page: http://www.google.com/support/profiles/bin/static.py?hl=en&#... - mostly rather small tweaks, nothing yet that improves their circles concept (e.g…

this! the feature set of g+ is bizarre: huddles? hangouts? no use for it. games? no use for it; plenty of alternatives. photos? nothing new; plenty of alternatives. sparks? very low signal to noise ratio, poorly integrated. circles are nice but limited. events? where on earth are events? google calendar integration? is it a social network or a work network? what's the point of g+? the content of g+ is sparse compared…

"sparks? very low signal to noise ratio, poorly integrated."

Poorly thought out, poorly implemented too.

You go to your Stream, and you see the aggregation of all your circles' streams.

You got to Sparks, and you see ... the same six or eight advertisements for canned sparks since the day you joined. How useful is that once you've seen it for three seconds? Yet they spend engineering time and electricity keeping this non-contribution up.

Wouldn't you expect to see the aggregation of your individual sparks when you click on Sparks? Of course you would. It's the same fucking thing as your stream, it's just search instead of posts.

(Yes, I sent feedback on that.)

Re: New Data: Google+ Public Posts Decrease by 41% Over Past Two Months

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're not going to completely leave, then I would recommend leaving your G+ account intact, and just don't use it anymore. Delete your posts and pictures if you like, but don't delete the account itself. I believe I recall reading Google itself saying that if you delete your G+ account, that has the same effect as if Google had suspended your account (whatever that means from day to day). So I believe, whether yo…

I don't use Picasa or Reader so this was not an issue for me. Strange the way that each system seems to behave differently.

If you think in a level or two, it's not that strange. Although Google Plus gets the buzz, it's the Profile that's the real product; Plus is just honey for the flies. The purpose of the Profile is to connect your Real Identity with your activity, specifically your social activity, and to correlate with the activities of your network of connections. So sharing posts in Reader and pictures in Picasa are social activities, and therefore interesting to Google.

As time goes on, more Google services will take on more social activity. There's Data in them thar hills! Email, by the way, is the ultimate social activity. Google knows that, because they give you 7G space just for email storage. So expect your gmail account to some day be at as much risk of loss as any other Google service, by their TOS, if you run afoul of the Real Name policy, or any other anti-social policy that they come up with.

There might be a couple reasons why your Real Name connected with yours and others' activity is interesting to Google. Either they're trying to help you have a civilized conversation with known associates in the online equivalent of a fancy coat and tie required restaurant with an assortment of mysterious cutlery and gold rimmed crystal. Or they want to make ads more valuable.

I think I hear Occam sharpening up his razor.

Re: New Data: Google+ Public Posts Decrease by 41% Over Past Two Months

#83

A 41% drop from the "honeymoon" spike is really not that bad. A lot of companies have seen far worse. Google+ is a great product, but what I think is happening is that "social" is starting to play itself out. It's not new and fun anymore. If Google+ puts forward a mediocre showing, it won't be a result of any failure of the product, but because it was a late entrant into a game that's winding down. (I'd like to avoid…

A 41% drop is not that bad if you manage to get millions of visitors to a WebMD type site. It's horrible if you're Google and want to be a major competitor to Facebook, let's face it, you're supposed to continue growing, not slowing down growth.

I never really understood anyone that thought Google+ was going to be the next big social network. It all comes down to dopamine. Google+ fails in supplying any dopamine rushes. Facebook doesn't fail as much.

Re: New Data: Google+ Public Posts Decrease by 41% Over Past Two Months

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In response to davidw, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2999668 How I divested from Google services. Others please reply with their own tales. The first thing to realize is that, like most projects, you don't have to go from zero to 100% accomplishment in one step. Perfection never ships. My approach was to use the solutions that would get me off Google as quickly as possible, and then gradually search for better…

Even though i would be sticking with Google for now, but i commend your compilation. IMO I would go with these alternatives.

Gmail -> +1 to your idea of personal domain. Though there are other alternatives like gmx, fastmail (as you mentioned), etc

Reader -> Thunderbird is not so great, there are many other clients which are far better feed readers like FeedDemon. Even Liferea and Akgregator are good.

Calendar -> Thunderbird and if you have some money to shell out Outlook is unbeatable. Also evolution is not bad either!

Address book -> Thunderbird and Outlook

Docs -> Ms Word or Libre Writer. MS Word has been around for quite some time and is really polished. Writer on the other hand is like an untamed beast with lots of feature.

Picasa -> Flickr, or if you want to get your hands dirty, you can try zenphoto on your personal domain.

Blog -> Blogger has become relatively old and i have seen many of the old blogs migrating to either Posterous or Tumblr. Obviously one can go for their own domain with Wordpress on it.

Search -> +1 on DDG. Its awesome! It has been my primary search engine for a while now.

Re: New Data: Google+ Public Posts Decrease by 41% Over Past Two Months

#85
post #83

A 41% drop from the "honeymoon" spike is really not that bad. A lot of companies have seen far worse. Google+ is a great product, but what I think is happening is that "social" is starting to play itself out. It's not new and fun anymore. If Google+ puts forward a mediocre showing, it won't be a result of any failure of the product, but because it was a late entrant into a game that's winding down. (I'd like to avoid…

A 41% drop is not that bad if you manage to get millions of visitors to a WebMD type site. It's horrible if you're Google and want to be a major competitor to Facebook, let's face it, you're supposed to continue growing, not slowing down growth. I never really understood anyone that thought Google+ was going to be the next big social network. It all comes down to dopamine. Google+ fails in supplying any dopamine rush…

I really wanted them to be. They definitely have enough talent to have been so. The way they described themselves, they were exactly what I was looking for. But (my opinion only) they turned out to be full of bullshit and meh.

But the majority of G+ users are probably going to disagree with me. They may not ever be a serious competitor to Facebook (and who says they need to be?), but they probably will make a lot of money with it.

Re: New Data: Google+ Public Posts Decrease by 41% Over Past Two Months

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Are there any women on G+? Like, any at all?

Ever since Google's decision to roll it out by providing invites exclusively to old white male technology bloggers, this has been an utterly male-dominated network. Is there even one soccer mom signed up to G+ in the United States?

Hint to developers: to make a social network, you need men and women to talk to each other.

(I also agree with the comments about the Real Name policy being very destructive to usage. Facebook, regardless of what their policies say, has a HUGE number of people using pseudonyms and very little enforcement against them. Nor do people have much to lose - okay, their friends list gets chopped down if their Facebook account gets dropped, but you can rebuild most of that in an hour. Google seriously threatens a huge chunk of people's lives if they cancel your account, and having Google executives proudly talking about how all this data will be really valuable to sell as an identity platform is Not Helping.)

Re: New Data: Google+ Public Posts Decrease by 41% Over Past Two Months

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Are there any women on G+? Like, any at all? Ever since Google's decision to roll it out by providing invites exclusively to old white male technology bloggers, this has been an utterly male-dominated network. Is there even one soccer mom signed up to G+ in the United States? Hint to developers: to make a social network, you need men and women to talk to each other. (I also agree with the comments about the Real Name…

I think G+ is a stunning example of Conway's Law.

They built a copy of their own organization.

Re: New Data: Google+ Public Posts Decrease by 41% Over Past Two Months

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A 41% drop from the "honeymoon" spike is really not that bad. A lot of companies have seen far worse. Google+ is a great product, but what I think is happening is that "social" is starting to play itself out. It's not new and fun anymore. If Google+ puts forward a mediocre showing, it won't be a result of any failure of the product, but because it was a late entrant into a game that's winding down. (I'd like to avoid…

What about google+ hangouts ? It's new , it's fun, and maybe even radical (may make video chat popular).

It could easily be the new social: With it's currently addictive quality , plus more video content , plus social games.

But it has a few issues:

1. Scaling - it's to scale hard at the google level, maybe even hard to scale at the isp level (depending on demand).

2. High cost - it needs a different business model than the usual google adwords/data-mining models.

3. Hangouts could be a usefull asset in their fight for the tv and tablet markets. So opening it up depends on other considerations.

So maybe the current google+ is just an experiment(to test scalability and user response) and that's the reason for the limiting invite process and the lack of advertising .But when all the pieces we'll be ready they'll launch in full scale.

Re: New Data: Google+ Public Posts Decrease by 41% Over Past Two Months

#89
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought it was clear that a G+ ban does not affect gmail/docs/calendar/etc.

It's far from clear. Everything I've seen says otherwise. Please provide a citation. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/violetblue/google-plus-too-much-un...

If your profile is suspended, you will not be able to make full use of Google services that require an active profile such as Google+, Buzz, Reader and Picasa. This will not prevent you from using other Google services, like Gmail.

From the zdnet article, it sounds like the Gmail lockouts were unintentional.

[1] http://www.google.com/support/+/bin/answer.py?answer=1228271

Re: New Data: Google+ Public Posts Decrease by 41% Over Past Two Months

#90

Well, the main problem with Google+ is that it is supposed to be social network, but it isn't. When were the last time you saw, for example, someones wedding pictures? Or discussion about real life social events? Or anything social? That's right, never. All you can see there is tech blog aggregation, couple of celebrities, some geek pictures and that's it. You can find more social interaction here on HackerNews or Re…

I see all of those things on Google+ all the time. The thing is they are all posted to specific circles and not publicly. A 41% drop in public posts is only somewhat meaningful. Of my family members that post on Google+ most of them moved from posting publicly to posting privately to specific circles once they figured out how it worked.
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