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1Password Has Raised $620M

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Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by austhrow743 »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #533
Matl wrote: post #516

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They have been doing some pretty unfriendly moves towards their long-term customers, like making sure the new 1Password cannot be used without 'the cloud' like the old one could be. I have no doubt raising more VC money will only accelerate such trends. In fact I've decided to move off of 1Password to BitWarden, since at least one can realistically self-host it. That being said, it's not exactly easy to migrate from…

Yeah I don’t know how to feel about this. I still have a license that allows me to use it with a local vault. But I really want to get the family subscription. The Premium BitWarden plan is much cheaper than 1Password but the the Family plan doesn’t get you as much of a discount and my parents are on iPhones. Edit: Dave Teare, the 1Password guy claims that when they were still offering standalone licences in 2018, pe…

How do iPhones factor in to this decision?

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by Dylan16807 »

BoorishBears wrote: post #658
Dylan16807 wrote: post #657

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> Every piece of software needs its own plan for continued development. It does. But if we're talking about just the software, I don't think updates to an already-finished password manager are worth nearly that much. Microsoft used to sell upgrades for their entire OS for $3 a month, released once every 3 years.

> already-finished password manager No such thing. If it was finished they'd close their doors and find a new way to make a living. > Microsoft used to sell upgrades for their entire OS for $3 a month, released once every 3 years. Great way to make my point. MS tried taking just 3 dollars a month for an entire OS, but because they were asking for money upfront they had to turn to a mixture advertising Candy Crush in…

> If it was finished they'd close their doors and find a new way to make a living.

Feature-complete, then. It needs updates but it doesn't need significant development work.

> Great way to make my point. MS tried taking just 3 dollars a month for an entire OS, but because they were asking for money upfront they had to turn to a mixture advertising Candy Crush in the start menu and privacy abuse.

They make most of their money off new computers at an even lower price. Adding candy crush and more tracking came after they switched to making upgrades free, and I really doubt it's worth $100 a seat.

They made home windows into a loss-leader. If there was a choice to pay to remove those things I bet they'd make somewhat more money. But it's not where their big revenue streams are so they don't care.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by atonse »

sleepybrett wrote: post #490
rco8786 wrote: post #444

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Their solutions are unique but the problems they are solving are not, they are in direct overlap with where 1P is going.

I've watched three different teams fail to get vault up and running in any kind of a sustainable way. If they could solve that problem and add a desktop client they could crush 1password in this space. Probably wouldn't hurt that tons of software engineers are absolutely pissed at their moves in the consumer space recently.

As a (paying) Hashicorp customer, my #1 problem is that there doesn't seem to be a lot of talent out there that actually knows how to use these tools and is deeply experienced in them.

And they are all critical pieces of infrastructure. I am very nervous to run a business critical site and store all its secrets in Vault, service discovery in Consul, and containers in Nomad (even though I really like all 3 and they've worked well so far) because we've had a couple of catastrophic cluster crashes where none of us had a clue how to recover without downtime and data loss. (Fortunately they happened in QA but it has delayed our production rollout of this infrastructure)

And I still don't have access to an "expert" – apart from one vendor who seems to know it inside out but is extremely expensive. So there isn't much of a choice.

So then there are two things I can do: become that expert and add that to our business offerings, or abandon the stack since it's too risky to be stuck with it. I don't want to make the mistake I made with Ember.js (nobody really knows it, it's beyond dead outside of a half dozen fortune 500 companies). I don't think that'll happen with Vault etc cuz they really are great products and ideas.

But it is a concern.

Hashicorp must know this, which is why they are betting big on HCP. I'd gladly pay for the uptime of these components to be their problem. And I am paying.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by AnonHP »

samgranieri wrote: post #76

I really wish they weren't doing away with 1password classic and the native mac app. I like the fact I bought a license, that I can store the data on dropbox or icloud, and it works just fine. Yes, this is old news and sour grapes on my part. I just don't yet feel like migrating to bitwarden. I've been using 1password for 12 years since I saw it on a tutorial on peepcode.com. I actually taught my mother how to use it…

Sorry to break it to you, but 1Password is not going to make any changes to suit your requirements. The company behind it is user hostile and quite stubborn. The only advice I can give is to switch from it to something else. There is absolutely no hope that your requirements will be considered. You can even post in their forums and see how they’ll shoot you down.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by AnonHP »

Kwpolska wrote: post #540
jeffrallen wrote: post #534

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They should take 20 million, endow a foundation, and have the foundation hire a couple of their original devs to make a clean room, open-source equivalent to 1Password 6. Then those of us who actually just want a self hosted password manager, not a massive whacky cloud secret factory, can use that. Sigh, what a stupid world we live in, where greed destroys everything good.

Have you tried KeePassXC? It has a reasonable UI and mental model, and does zero cloudy things.

I have tried it, but one of my use cases is sharing passwords, and I couldn’t figure out how to do that well.

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Post by seized »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #636
jrockway wrote: post #553

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I think it's a little weird. I have used 1password at two jobs, and thought it was great, so I bought it for myself. They want money to sync my passwords between my Windows desktop and my iPhone. Seems reasonable to me. I program computers for a living and people pay me. I guess there was a free self-hosted type thing at one point in the past? That was before I ever heard of the product, so I'm not that upset that it…

> They want money to sync my passwords between my Windows desktop and my iPhone. Seems reasonable to me. Money for service is fine, but this is a long term thing, and I'm not going to pay $180 per 5 years to keep 100KB in sync. And the software doesn't justify that price either.

Take a look at BitWarden. It is very popular, has a good free tier, the premium plan is $10/year, and the family plan for six users is $3.33/month.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by kangaroozach »

I have 1Password installed on my Mac and in my browsers. Yet for some reason I’m constantly asked to enter my master password. Like 20 times a day. Rarely does it accept just ny fingerprint. Rarely does it work without forcing a reload of the browser. It seems like the different apps and browser tabs are constantly competing with each other and making my day miserable. Anyone have a solve for this? Am I the only one?

I wish it just worked so that anytime I needed to fill a password, I just scan my finger and get right in. Why can’t it be that simple?!!!!!!!

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by AnonHP »

mdaniel wrote: post #592
zerkten wrote: post #154

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A lot of comments don't seem to acknowledge the importance of UX to leveling up security. Historically, security products have had terrible UX with everyone working around these and introducing more risks. 1Password is doing a great service here by making security simple and reduces our overall attack surface.

I wholeheartedly agree with the UX comment, and for the "leveling up security" part specifically, I'll point out that 1P 8 now has a "generate horse-battery-stable 'security question' answers" button, which is about as close to the intersection of good UX and good security as I can imagine My experience with Bitwarden is that their browser extension is gravely broken, which is a subset of UX, but crosses over into "h…

Bitwarden, over the last few years, has been focusing on enterprise features and has largely ignored more basic stuff. It doesn’t seem like that’s going to change quickly, since the pace of development seems slow.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by torstenvl »

kangaroozach wrote: post #667

I have 1Password installed on my Mac and in my browsers. Yet for some reason I’m constantly asked to enter my master password. Like 20 times a day. Rarely does it accept just ny fingerprint. Rarely does it work without forcing a reload of the browser. It seems like the different apps and browser tabs are constantly competing with each other and making my day miserable. Anyone have a solve for this? Am I the only one?…

I had weird issues like this too. Constantly having to restart 1Password Mini for the keyboard shortcut to work, etc.

I'm using Enpass now and it works great.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by AnonHP »

Someone wrote: post #587
ascagnel_ wrote: post #368

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Shared family vaults are the big thing for me -- I don't want to share _all_ of my passwords with my family, but 1P is a good way to share stuff like streaming service logins.

iCloud KeyChain has automatic sharing of services, but only for Apple Services ( https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT203046 ) That might be because they want to make their own services more attractive (if so, I think they made the wrong choice), but also could be a legal thing. https://www.apple.com/family-sharing/ : “You can add anyone to your Family Sharing group age 13 and older and invite them to share an Apple Car…

Considering that Netflix’s ToS and Apple’s Family Sharing both say that they’re only meant for people in the same household, I don’t see “Apple might fear getting sued” as an issue.
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