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Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by gSuiteLegacyUgh » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 2:51 AM UTC

ggm wrote: post #37

hmm. cost per user approaches alternate mail providers with domains. Self-hosting would be cheaper, but the problem is blacklisting of a VPS IP range for email sending. Probably, it requires some use of a specific SMTP service for mail and do all the rest in the self-host, but then that means finding SMTP-as-a-service for $ distinct from VPS, unless you can VPS host for the same cost inside one of the FAANG and avoid…

Hmmm, SendGrid offers 100 sends per day for free and their "API" has an SMTP feature. I'm sure there are others. SMTP relay for outbound? I'm thinking of giving it a go.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by pontifier » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 2:53 AM UTC

So, does someone have a docker image that I can throw at a vps somewhere that will take over the job of email for my domains, and will also push notifications to my android phone?

Edit: I also need it to do OAuth :)

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by ggm » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 2:54 AM UTC

gSuiteLegacyUgh wrote: post #551

ggm wrote: post #37

hmm. cost per user approaches alternate mail providers with domains. Self-hosting would be cheaper, but the problem is blacklisting of a VPS IP range for email sending. Probably, it requires some use of a specific SMTP service for mail and do all the rest in the self-host, but then that means finding SMTP-as-a-service for $ distinct from VPS, unless you can VPS host for the same cost inside one of the FAANG and avoid…

Hmmm, SendGrid offers 100 sends per day for free and their "API" has an SMTP feature. I'm sure there are others. SMTP relay for outbound? I'm thinking of giving it a go.

I'm building out iredmail on my VPS now, to try this.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by prirun » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 2:54 AM UTC

wodenokoto wrote: post #122

herodoturtle wrote: post #91

What are some (paid) alternatives to using G-Suite for emails? Context: We're a small but relatively old SaaS company. Been happily using G Suite's free tier since day 1 - only for email. This announcement is a tad disappointing, but as other commenters have said, 10 years of a free product is pretty great. We'll likely upgrade to Google's paid tier, but out of curiosity, since we're switching to a paid service, we m…

If you’re not using the productivity suite (docs, drive, sheets and whatnot) why not go with the little guy and use Fastmail? $5/user with 30gb or 100gb per user for $9/month Their support replies faster than google :)

Fastmail discounts for longer terms. I'm on the 30GB plan because of a custom domain and it was $90 for 2 years in Nov 2021, or $3.75/mo. Now I see it's $95 for 2 years so they've had a recent price increase apparently.

Fastmail does give you access to your 30GB via FTP or WebDAV. It also has a web-based file uploading tool. Then you can create links to share files or folders with others, like a picture album. I did this a little just to try it out, and it was very straightforward. Whereas I could never figure out how to do it with iCloud and gave up.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by vhodges » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 2:56 AM UTC

I am not a company and I get they want people to pay, but the amount is a non-starter for me and my wife and so they won't be getting any money from me.

Migadu is 20USD/Year for multipe domains ('almost' unlimited). Inbound (200/Day) and outbound (20/Day) message limits do apply but we probably wont't exceed those, but even if I find we need to move up, the next tier is 90/Year for a savings of over 50USD (more for my CAD) over the Google option.

I've been thinking of moving my mail there (using it for another domain already) for a while anyways, this just provides the incentive to finally move it over.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by prirun » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 3:02 AM UTC

KennyBlanken wrote: post #542

l33tman wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're complaining that a service you use all the time for a decade for free now might cost the equivalent of a cup of coffee per month? I'm all about Google being evil and all that, but spending valuable aggression on this seems a bit excessive.. The Google Takeout system gives you all of your email in a format you might be able to import into another system?

The email service that Google provides for free solely to data-mine / profile you and be assured they always know your IP addresses/browsers so they can better track you, and so on?

And they will be doing the same thing when getting paid.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by GeekyBear » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 3:06 AM UTC

l33tman wrote: post #485

theossuary wrote: post #226

I'm definitely getting screwed over by this. I've hosted close friend's and family's email for a decade now on an old G Apps instance. We only ever used it for email on a custom domain. It was most useful because I could reset passwords for them if they forgot it. Now I'm going to have to figure out what to do. Microsoft's Family offering is way better (not saying much considering Google doesn't have one). Right now…

You're complaining that a service you use all the time for a decade for free now might cost the equivalent of a cup of coffee per month? I'm all about Google being evil and all that, but spending valuable aggression on this seems a bit excessive.. The Google Takeout system gives you all of your email in a format you might be able to import into another system?

> You're complaining that a service you use all the time for a decade for free now might cost the equivalent of a cup of coffee per month?

People always complain about bait and switch tactics.

Give them a way to revert to a free personal account without losing access to their files, data, and any digital goods they may have purchased and let them decide if they want to covert to a paid account or not.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by pronoiac » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 3:06 AM UTC

yannikyeo wrote: post #422

herodoturtle wrote: post #91

What are some (paid) alternatives to using G-Suite for emails? Context: We're a small but relatively old SaaS company. Been happily using G Suite's free tier since day 1 - only for email. This announcement is a tad disappointing, but as other commenters have said, 10 years of a free product is pretty great. We'll likely upgrade to Google's paid tier, but out of curiosity, since we're switching to a paid service, we m…

iCloud+ purelymail mxroute Migadu Mailbox.org

I've had exploring mxroute as a low-priority todo item for a while, I like that pricing is roughly per gigabyte, not per domain or per user. Do you use it? Does it deliver to gmail and others ok, or does it go to spam?

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by rajup » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 3:16 AM UTC

GeekyBear wrote: post #557

l33tman wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're complaining that a service you use all the time for a decade for free now might cost the equivalent of a cup of coffee per month? I'm all about Google being evil and all that, but spending valuable aggression on this seems a bit excessive.. The Google Takeout system gives you all of your email in a format you might be able to import into another system?

> You're complaining that a service you use all the time for a decade for free now might cost the equivalent of a cup of coffee per month? People always complain about bait and switch tactics. Give them a way to revert to a free personal account without losing access to their files, data, and any digital goods they may have purchased and let them decide if they want to covert to a paid account or not.

You can always use Google Takeout so you don't lose access to your files.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by sundarurfriend » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 3:16 AM UTC

nighthawk454 wrote: post #313

area51org wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not roped in (good, albeit not free, alternatives exist), but yeah, this is just a fuckover. I've been paying google for GDrive for some time now, and that's about to end. It's back to Dropbox. I know, I don't have to do this, but the hell with google. I'm done. This is nothing short of a needless f---over, and I want as little to do with them as possible.

Not _absolutely_ roped in, but practically, yes. The cost of switching is ridiculously higher than the cost of just paying up - it's not a realistic option. Which, considering they also control how hard it is to switch, is a bit artificial. It would be a little different if they did this to _everyone_ and completely removed the free @gmail plans. But instead they're targeting GSuite users when @gmail plans are _right…

> The cost of switching is ridiculously higher than the cost of just paying up - it's not a realistic option.

On "the cost of just paying up" side, also tally up the cost of dealing with whatever other shenanigans Google decides to pull later; knowing that you will be equally powerless and option-limited at that time too, and even more entrenched with them and hence with even more to lose at their whim.