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Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by disiplus »

jfengel wrote: post #239
KallDrexx wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the first I've heard of this as well. I went to admin.google.com and verified that this does impact me. Glad I check HN I guess??

Thanks for the tip. I went to admin.google.com and I don't see anything there, either. Maybe it's rolling out?

yeah i also did not receive the email. first i was thinking, maybee because i pay for extra storage with those legacy accounts (100 gb extra) they maybee would not disable if for me. but it looks i just did not get the email yet.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by Sloppy »

This is an affront in several ways.

1) Apparently bait and switch is fair play now? The fact that it took years for the hook to be applied makes it no less wrong.

2) Apparently we cannot buy software anymore. I don't want 90% of upgrades but they force me to buy them as "subscriptions" now. How many do you have now that virtual monopolies are converting from buy one copy of software to "subscribe only"? Google Apps is just another in this "hook the user on free access -- then milk them forever once they are committed," business model. Office, Creative Suite, what's next Chrome?, Edge?, Firefox?, Acrobat?

Google seems now 100% devoted to evil.

My advice is:

1) create an HTTPS WEBDAV server to sync your photos to. I did this a year ago when I realized that my bill for photos would increase forever if I didn't erase the old ones as I took new ones. Switching to my own hardware is like getting a print of those film negatives... 2) host your own email 3) Get an old copy of Word and Excel (who cares about new features?)

EFF killed cert costs, may they turn to these other commodities... Once you go through this painful transition you'll only pay for Internet access and the hardware to run it.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by rzzzt »

isodude wrote: post #386
criddell wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is it? I can't read the page but am interested in something that could ease migration.

You add your credentials for the old and the new account and the tool moves the mail between the two. Very easy if you don't want the hassle. It should indeed exist an english version, I think there's a newer version soon to be released. You can add several mail accounts and get a mail when the transfer is complete.

Would you be comfortable adding your email credentials for two accounts in a tool you didn't write?

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by jeroenhd »

ec109685 wrote: post #453
theossuary wrote: post #226

I'm definitely getting screwed over by this. I've hosted close friend's and family's email for a decade now on an old G Apps instance. We only ever used it for email on a custom domain. It was most useful because I could reset passwords for them if they forgot it. Now I'm going to have to figure out what to do. Microsoft's Family offering is way better (not saying much considering Google doesn't have one). Right now…

Both Microsoft and Yahoo offer the ability to do “imap in”. Could that be used to sync down the email from Google and then you reconfigure your DNS provider to forward email to your Yahoo/Microsoft personal email account and configure that account to send email using your custom domain name. What is lost in that case?

IMAP doesn't sync stuff like calendar, contacts, tasks, settings, email filters (not usually, anyway), and many online clients will only download the email headers in bulk, not the contents; those are often lazy-loaded in when you open a message, especially from more than two weeks ago.

A more reliable way to transfer email would be to download all email through POP3 and then copy them over to an IMAP account on the new server.

You can definitely export your account information (in fact, European data portability laws pretty much require Google to provide such a functionality) but importing it may require some custom tooling.

Unless either Google or the receiving party provides an official migration tool, migration is probably a pretty sucky experience. I know it can be done (companies and educational institutions switch between Google and Microsoft all the time) but I'm not sure if there's any good migration path unless you can get in contact with someone from sales.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by jimmies »

usuallymatt wrote: post #460

Not sure if anyone has seen this but if I login as @gmail.com with my @ password it logs me into my Domain account. I wonder if they are preparing to roll out a tool where you can convert your Domain account over to a gmail account.

Can you elaborate on that? Let's say I'm foo@bar.com, what username could I give to gmail?

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by silisili »

ab_testing wrote: post #435

I am old enough to remember that Microsoft also had a similar free email product for custom domains called Microsoft live mail or something like that. In fact, you can still find articles on the internet about how to move from Microsoft to Google workspaces when Microsoft killed their free product. I think even the users of this product knew that email with custom domain is a premium product that pretty much no email…

I wish they'd charge me for Google Voice. That's the only product I find vital from them.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by Sloppy »

Sloppy wrote: post #462

This is an affront in several ways. 1) Apparently bait and switch is fair play now? The fact that it took years for the hook to be applied makes it no less wrong. 2) Apparently we cannot buy software anymore. I don't want 90% of upgrades but they force me to buy them as "subscriptions" now. How many do you have now that virtual monopolies are converting from buy one copy of software to "subscribe only"? Google Apps i…

BTW I run a 16 core home server with 10 tb of storage accessible over Comcast home edition for the cost of electricity. At the risk of sounding old and idealistic, isn't this what the Internet was supposed to be? Isn't this where the idealists among Web3 proponents are headed?

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by judge2020 »

silisili wrote: post #466
ab_testing wrote: post #435

I am old enough to remember that Microsoft also had a similar free email product for custom domains called Microsoft live mail or something like that. In fact, you can still find articles on the internet about how to move from Microsoft to Google workspaces when Microsoft killed their free product. I think even the users of this product knew that email with custom domain is a premium product that pretty much no email…

I wish they'd charge me for Google Voice. That's the only product I find vital from them.

I loaded up $10 a few years ago just in case I ever needed to pay for a Voice call, and it has dropped a whopping $0.02 from one 23 second outbound international call. It’s great that it’s a free service for domestic calls.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by designium »

theossuary wrote: post #226

I'm definitely getting screwed over by this. I've hosted close friend's and family's email for a decade now on an old G Apps instance. We only ever used it for email on a custom domain. It was most useful because I could reset passwords for them if they forgot it. Now I'm going to have to figure out what to do. Microsoft's Family offering is way better (not saying much considering Google doesn't have one). Right now…

You can use mailinabox.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by op00to »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #30
AndrewDucker wrote: post #17

I created a free account many years ago for my family. We've all been using it ever since for everything. So I have a lot of purchases and history in there. All of my YouTube stuff, all of my Android purchases. Everything to do with Google. And now they're going to start charging me $70 per family member or delete all of their purchases for the last decade or so. To say I'm aghast is putting it mildly.

(full disclosure, I work for Google but have no special insights here other than reading the article) My interpretation is that you'll still be able to use your account on Youtube, Play Store, etc. You'll just lose the workspace specific features like Drive, so use the tools that let you dump that data.

Glad that’s your interpretation and not an official statement from your employer who is interrupting a lot of peoples workflows and digital lives.
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