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Craig Wright suing developers to forcibly give him access to internet coins

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Re: Craig Wright suing developers to forcibly give him access to internet coins

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What are the theories about why the real Satoshi doesn't just move all the coin to another wallet himself to prove that Craig Wright is just a scammer?

I figure the real Satoshi wants some anonymity and is happy for Wright to muddy the waters.

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Then you haven't been paying attention. Wright is continually spouting literal gibberish and technobabble, he's technical inept to the point of hilarity. For example, when asked to explain some C code he claimed that the line declaring a double-type variable were doubling the values. Beyond his ineptitude, Wright has repeatedly claimed he would provide proof, but then when his 'proof' is exposed to expert analysis it…

Seems Dorsey's COPA is going to try to prove that in court shortly "Bitcoin 'inventor' will face forgery claims over his Satoshi Nakamoto proof, rules High Court" https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/06/craig_wright_satoshi_...

Yes, though wright has filed lawsuits against more or less every remaining known developer that worked with Satoshi and doesn't have a relationship with Wright in an apparent effort to create a conflict of interest to disqualify their input and intimidate them from participation (that's the subject of this article).

Re: Craig Wright suing developers to forcibly give him access to internet coins

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That's awesome, thank you. The irony of "show me or you're bullshit" is amazing!

He clearly knows he's talking to an actual expert who's calling him out, so he thinks faking getting angry and storming out is a good way for him to escape the situation.

It worked, didn't it?

Re: Craig Wright suing developers to forcibly give him access to internet coins

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I don't really have a dog in this fight. I highly doubt the miners would move to that chain/protocol. There would be a hard fork of the source code and chain, possibly by people outside the reach of whatever jurisdiction this guy is in. It's just completely impossible for this to actually happen AND actually mean anything. Anyone can get access to any coins by changing the source code/protocol and hard forking the ch…

I think he's pinning his hopes on the assumption that if courts say his fork is Bitcoin, his chain is the one that exchanges regulated in Western countries will trade as Bitcoin, and therefore his fork is the one that dumb money that's heard Bitcoin is going to the moon and hasn't heard of Craig Wright or forks will buy. If actual cryptoenthusiasts are too disgusted to even sell off their tokens on his fork, that jus…

Nah, he already has a fork, the super sketch bitcoin knockoff "Bitcoin Satoshi's vision"... AFAIK the only US entity that will trade it is robinhood (which IMO tells you all you need to know about RH).

Re: Craig Wright suing developers to forcibly give him access to internet coins

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It would be funny but it is physically impossible for all the reasons that make Bitcoin desirable.

> physically impossible You mean ethically questionable? Because it is not impossible.

It's analogous to suing someone who makes gold jewelry to try to force them to get everyone else to start referring to lead as "gold" and paying gold prices for it.

Re: Craig Wright suing developers to forcibly give him access to internet coins

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how does this con-man make money off his cons though?

He's a household name in the crypto world. Sure, not in a good way, but any publicity is good publicity right? He could offer his services to various blockchain-focused startups in which he'll fit right in considering said startups' objective is often to get money off clueless VCs by throwing the "blockchain" buzzword around (there are very little legitimate use-cases for a blockchain that can't be served by a tradit…

He has a bad habit of suing former business partners that don't do exactly what he wants. E.g. he's currently suing the second and third person from the left in this photo https://i.redd.it/ph8slk43st331.jpg and the person on the right is the rube that is financing most of Wright's litigation.

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From legal standpoint it is interesting case and it can bring precedent to crypto scene. We will know if person can lose coins and retrieve them back lawful way with court order. Even more interesting, that most miners are now located in USA jurisdiction. We know, that Google and others can adjust results based on courts orders. It's interesting if miners who invested hundred millions into mining operation could foll…

Hell, it can bring precedent to OSS licenses. Bitcoin is MIT licensed : '[...] THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, [...]'. If you, as a creator, can hold co-authors responsible for losses.

FWIW, in this legal action Wright expressly states that his claims of being Bitcoin's creator are irrelevant for the case.

His claimed cause of action is that as a user he negligently handled his bitcoins and lost them to hackers, and that the some random subset of the authors (e.g. the ones best able to debunk his claims of being Bitcoin's creator) owe him a fiduciary duty to make him whole.

Re: Craig Wright suing developers to forcibly give him access to internet coins

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> physically impossible You mean ethically questionable? Because it is not impossible.

It's analogous to suing someone who makes gold jewelry to try to force them to get everyone else to start referring to lead as "gold" and paying gold prices for it.

That would be if he was asking for Bitcoin silver to take over Bitcoin. This is like someone asking the bank to give him someone else's massive but abandoned account, if more than half of its clients agree.

Re: Craig Wright suing developers to forcibly give him access to internet coins

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Even being non-American with my necessarily flawed understanding of the US constitution, the scenario you described strikes me as a clear violation of the first amendment. First, you would have to compel someone to write new code that changes the way bitcoin fundamentally works. Assuming you manage to do so, you would then have to compel "everyone" to recognise the hard-fork as the "true" chain, again something clear…

It wouldn't violate the First Amendment, since the court isn't going to be a government actor for that purpose. A court absolutely could order someone to change their code to comport with the judgement--I mean, this happened to Apple in the not-too-distant past. What the court can't do is compel everybody to use the new hard fork, first for the simple reason that most of those people aren't being sued , but somewhat…

In the apple case you're referring to the government dropped its case after Apple argued that the government's demand constituted unconstitutional compelled speech.

In the united states the courts only have power at the pleasure of the constitution, the constitution is binding on all actions of a court. (Now, the courts could conclude some action doesn't violate the constitution-- but that's a different matter)

Except in some narrow cases in civil matters US courts do not order specific performance -- they don't order you to perform some specific act -- instead, the award cash damages for the harm you caused the other party.

In the ninth circuit where I reside, the standing, unchallenged, and unambiguous law that the publication of source code is speech protected by the first amending as was established in Bernstein v. US.

This is also recognized by the long line of modern decisions with respect to defamation law-- it cannot be so overpowered that it abridges the publics free speech rights, even though defamation is always a civil matter.

If you adopt an interpretation that the remedies available to the courts aren't constrained by the constitution, then any imaginable abrogation of the civil rights of the public could be lawfully imposed by simply creating a civil cause of action with the otherwise unconstitutional action as a remedy, then the state can induce some private actor to take action under the law. (The idea that Wright is acting on behalf of some state actor out to undermine Bitcoin is a common conspiracy theory, but a less parsimonious explanation than him being a simple con-artist.)

You're absolutely right that Wright's demand would also require that everyone adopt the alternative version and regard it as Bitcoin--- which is akin to expecting everyone to start believing he's a good guy, something no conceivable court could order because no court can never have power over the hearts of mankind (short of someone inventing a mind control gun :P ). It also has the practical problem that many of the defendants, such as myself, haven't been Bitcoin developers for years. And defendants, even the active ones, have no more ability to take action here that Wright himself does-- it's open source software, after all--, except for the fact that the defendants have a good reputation and Wright has a reputation as a fraud.

But to even get that far wright would also need to overcome the civil rights problems with his request-- at least for the US defendants: Wright is asking the government to compel labor to author the backdoored itself, compel speech by making the defendants publish it, and restrain their speech by prohibiting them from publishing non-backdoored code. He also would have to overcome the fact that the license they offered the software under expressly requires the recipient wave liability for any cause in connection with the software. (and the fact that his claimed loss is pretty obviously nonsense)

He also has to overcome a number of procedural issues, including the fact that the lawsuit was brought in the UK by an insolvent foreign shell corporation itself owned by a web of other insolvent shell companies in different jurisdictions -- none of whom operate in the UK against developers none of whom do business in the UK. Wright prefers the UK because of its motion-by-motion loser-pays default that lets Wright extract enormous legal fees by defeating summary judgement motions by offering forgeries (summary judgements are decided by assuming the facts are in the favor of the non-movant), as well as the weak protection for people's free speech rights. Wright's hail mary to try to keep in in the jurisdiction of the UK courts is to include one of his own entities as a defendant, and of course they immediately agreed to the jurisdiction.

Re: Craig Wright suing developers to forcibly give him access to internet coins

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"Faketoshi" as he's known in the community always finds a new way to NOT be able to prove he has access to the early mined coins. It's honestly comical at this point the different bullshit he comes up with. My favorite so far was finding an existing signature on the blockchain from Satoshi, modifying the data, then publishing the signature with different data in an attempt to claim to be the creator of Bitcoin. Every…

I remember there were records of his blog where he was "downloading java courses on security" at the time when bitcoin was being developed by Satoshi )))
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