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Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?

#81
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> Should I tell my boss and/or team? No, they will stab you in the back, no matter how much you think they won't. > Should I take time off? How much? Yes, if possible several months or a year so you have time to get fully away from the grind. > Is there something in my working environment I should try to change? Probably reduce the volume of work you are doing or do something that you care about more. > Is there anyt…

> > Should I tell my boss and/or team? > No, they will stab you in the back, no matter how much you think they won't.

I disagree that this is universally true. I have had at least 2 bosses that I know would help deal with burnout because 1 of them helped me and the other I have seen help others in this same situation. A good boss cares about their employee's health and wants to keep good workers. I agree that your advice is the safe route, but I think if you know for a fact you have one of the good bosses of the world then that approach can lead to better results.

Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?

#82
post #11

The bad news is it’s going to take a long time to heal. The good news is you can come back happier than you can imagine. In an ideal scenario you would quit working entirely to focus on your health, but I’m guessing this is not an option. You need to focus on the body first. The most important is sleep, but that is also difficult to address directly, so it’s best to focus on diet and exercise. You’ll likely have to d…

> Try the Whole 30 program first. It’s a way of eating that eliminates inflammation causing foods. DONT TRY TO LOSE WEIGHT! Weight loss is important for overall health but you’ll usually sleep worse during a weight loss phase. That said you’ll probably lose weight naturally anyway

Can't stress this enough. I've spent the last decade trying to lose weight and failing, always yo-yoing up a little bit higher and losing confidence each time. Consistent diet changes are really freaking hard especially when you're battling other health issue. Aerobic exercise burns a hilariously tiny amount of calories for the effort and eventually it can eat away at motivation.

Setting up a home gym to lift weights and trying to eat healthier rather less has done wonders for my health. ExRx has a lot of information [1] but the gist of it is that a pound of fat burns under 5 calories a day while a pound of lean muscle burns 30 calories a day without exercise and as much as 50 calories a day for up to several days after anaerobic exercise (weight lifting). The maximum grow rate is from half a pound to a pound (for those that won the genetic lottery) of lean muscle a week so in 10 weeks its possible to add 150-300 calories to your basal metabolic rate that requires minimal maintenance compared to on-going dieting. Weight lifting doesn't require that much effort [2] or maintenance, just proper form and equipment, so it's a lot easier to permanently incorporate in a schedule a few times a week than a life long dieting change.

[1] https://exrx.net/FatLoss

[2] https://exrx.net/WeightTraining/Research

Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?

#83

> Should I tell my boss and/or team? Should I tell them right away, or wait until I know what other steps I want to take? What should I expect their reactions to be? No there're not your family. You need to talk with a professional and take decision together. > Should I take time off? How much? Or should I try to work reduced hours? It's impossible to say. Everyone is different. Some need to work part time, others a…

Did I just read that you got 80% of your salary while doing absolutely nothing for a year? Congrats, but we aren't all so incredibly lucky.

Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?

#84
Mental health issues are routinely recognized as serious health issues. I work for a major US company and employees are encouraged to take short-term or long-term disability leave, yes even for mental health issues. You are already paying for it. Check your benefits and talk to professionals to make sure it is properly handled.

After confirming your benefits and speaking with healthcare professional, talk to HR before your manager. Your manager may not know all the benefits available or try to hide them from you.

Take as long as you need to recover. You may not have hobbies but sometimes vegging out in front TV for a few days is all you need to recover.

Also forget about all the healthy stuff like exercise, meditation, etc. Just sleep as long as you can. Burning out means your body is under maximum stress. You don't want to add to your plate. Remove things from it.

Relaxing experiences maybe okay like massages, bathes, a slow walk.

Finally, ancedata, I know someone who was getting burned out. They didn't show up for work for a week. When they got back, their boss was furious but they said they were burned out. HR got involved. Boss got in trouble for creating unhealthy work environment. Person was told to take more time off and see a therapist. This was at a major US company.

Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?

#85
post #11

The bad news is it’s going to take a long time to heal. The good news is you can come back happier than you can imagine. In an ideal scenario you would quit working entirely to focus on your health, but I’m guessing this is not an option. You need to focus on the body first. The most important is sleep, but that is also difficult to address directly, so it’s best to focus on diet and exercise. You’ll likely have to d…

I know why I'm burning out, but I don't know what to do with the realisation. The fear of being fired, then broke, and then not being able to survive is real-ish. Advice?

Do you feel like the realization/fear come from a rational place, or primarily driven by anxiety?

Everyone’s journey is different, but depending on where that fear is coming from, I could imagine drastically different next steps.

Personally, therapy has helped me immensely. A lot of my early anxiety about these things stemmed from severe imposter syndrome, and through the years I’ve gained enough confidence in myself to know that my skills are in demand, and survival is likely in the current market.

But if that fear is due to other things - the health of your employer’s business, etc. then a very different course of action might be required.

Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?

#87

Tell no one. Drink energy drinks. When it's not enough, drink more. Sleep 8. Wake up 10 years later with busted arteries and a great career. Yeaaa. Sippp. No, seriously, I don't have any better advice. P.S. The person saying sleep more is right. It will help you recover (partially) from the havoc the energy drinks wreak on your body.

Learned a couple of things that really helped me around sleeping: 1. Sleep is when your brain shifts processing power from consciousness/etc to maintenance. Like defragging a disk drive. When I can't sleep, I'll just try to focus on my body with this in mind, and it kinda works like sleep, and kinda helps me get closer to sleep. 2. If you're having trouble falling asleep, gently wrap the fingers of your dominant hand…

Those are interesting tips. Tbh I have never had a problem with sleep if I follow the standard advice, in no particular order:

• Exercise or walk for an hour during the day

• Turn of electronics an hour before bed and do something calm, e.g. read a book (often not necessary, but if you want surefire)

• Have a consistent sleep schedule - wake up at same time at least 6 days a week

• Complete dark - blackout curtains or t-shirt over face

• Complete quite - ear plugs. A lot of people complain about them, but they work great if you just can't sleep.

• Don't move - usually best if you sleep on back

• Most "techniques - counting breath, repeating a phrase, etc don't work, just don't think about anything important

• On the note of my (somewhat sarcastic) point about energy drinks - don't have those or any coffee/sugar at least 16 hours before you sleep

As long and convoluted as that list seems, to me it's just essential to reliably sleep every time. I use it and it works.

Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?

#88
There's no right answer for those questions.

I've burned out twice. Both times I quit. Took a year off between the two. I travelled both times, and then just had my own routine at home. I had no problem finding another job when it was time to come back.

- You can tell your boss. Expect sympathy, but, any plan that works for you is probably one you'll have come up with.

- If you leave, I'd recommend not dictating when it'll end up front. Say three months if people ask, but what you really mean is in three months you'll reassess if you need more time off. No actual deadlines.

- I don't know about you, but for me as a senior eng at a startup, work eats into all hours of day / weekend. Do an 8-4. Not one minute more. No weekend. No slack on your phone. No on call. No evenings.

Be kind to yourself friend. <3 Come up with a routine. I found my days filled up without work as they did with, but taking showers, cooking meals for myself, etc. was important.

Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?

#89
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends. Sure, they are generally not forming chemical dependence. Psychological addiction can still be an issue for people in this situation.

Did you even read the phrase I quoted? It specifically says "do not lead to _dependence_ or _addiction_".

Yes I read it. Do you understand the difference between chemical and psychological addiction?

"People abusing mushrooms can become dependent by believing that they need the drug to maintain a sense of enlightenment or happiness."

https://www.addictioncenter.com/drugs/hallucinogens/psilocyb...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29098666/

Re: Ask HN: Burned Out. What Now?

#90
post #11

The bad news is it’s going to take a long time to heal. The good news is you can come back happier than you can imagine. In an ideal scenario you would quit working entirely to focus on your health, but I’m guessing this is not an option. You need to focus on the body first. The most important is sleep, but that is also difficult to address directly, so it’s best to focus on diet and exercise. You’ll likely have to d…

I'd like to add to the list of things to try: Go to an eye doctor if you haven't been in a while, even if you've always had perfect vision in the past. We tech workers spend a lot of time staring at screens, and minor eye discomfort can compound into a major source of stress without you necessarily being aware of it.
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