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Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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I'm a G Suite legacy user that is affected by this change, primarily using it for personal email. Extremely, extremely annoyed that Android app purchases will be lost. Since I also have Apple devices I'm considering moving over to iCloud+ since they now support 3 email boxes and 5 domain names per account: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212514 Other options I'm researching include Outlook Premium and Zohomail. Wil…

The problem I have with iCloud+ isn't the product or price, it is how terrible Apple's web/cross-platform experience is. Say what you will about Google/Gmail, but it has always worked extremely well just in a browser let alone all their app offers.

Not since they redid the gmail UI, it's _intolerably_ slow. Granted, the only thing iCloud has going for it is the speed of the interface compared to gmail, the overall interface is rather poor.

fwiw I use Fastmail, it's relatively inexpensive (~$100/3 years). My only real gripe is the app passwords tend to break, but the fastmail client is pretty good.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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I've heard that it's possible to strike a balance by self-hosting incoming email and outsourcing outgoing email to Amazon SES. SES provides SMTP credentials which should be fairly straightforward to use. Anyone has experience with this kind of setup?

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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I'm a Google employee who just found out about this. I'm not annoyed that I have to pay, it's been ~13 years of free service and I don't think Google is obligated to continue providing this to me. The annoying part is that Google doesn't provide any migration tool, but there are migration tools for Google Edu accounts so that graduating students can migrate their data to personal Google accounts. The software is evid…

Is there an equivalent of Microsoft’s Home Use Program (HUP) for Google Workspace?

HUP gets you Microsoft 365 (Office apps, OneDrive, ad-free email with a 50GB quota and one custom domain) for your family, with 30% off list price for people using Microsoft solutions at work — which is most office workers, assuming their employers have opted in.

It’d be nice to see something similar from Google.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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I created a free account many years ago for my family. We've all been using it ever since for everything. So I have a lot of purchases and history in there. All of my YouTube stuff, all of my Android purchases. Everything to do with Google. And now they're going to start charging me $70 per family member or delete all of their purchases for the last decade or so. To say I'm aghast is putting it mildly.

To be fair, they stopped giving it away for free 10 years ago (I asked Urs at the time, and he said “it’s too hard to support and test another edition”, whatever). But I’m pissed as well, probably just gonna pay.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Is this for real? I've not received that email from Google. If so, I guess it's time to setup my own mailserver. I've been meaning to do it for a long while now anyway, as I'm not comfortable with the thought that Google is data-harvesting all my and my family's emails. But with mailservers being notoriously difficult to setup and configure securely, I keep putting it off. Time to get reading a few tutorials, methink…

Email is increasingly difficult to do yourself with the proliferation of anti-spam and anti-malware protection, combined with consolidated usage of SaaS apps for email across the board. Most of the IP address space in AWS and Azure is blacklisted by spam filters (as is customer IP space from most ISPs if they don’t already filter SMTP traffic), so unless you want to roll the dice on config settings for everyone you s…

If you want something lightweight try SpamHero. Not quite as good as Postini was, but unfortunately Google bought and killed the latter.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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I created a free account many years ago for my family. We've all been using it ever since for everything. So I have a lot of purchases and history in there. All of my YouTube stuff, all of my Android purchases. Everything to do with Google. And now they're going to start charging me $70 per family member or delete all of their purchases for the last decade or so. To say I'm aghast is putting it mildly.

Yup, I'd pay $10 per month for my family. But I'm not paying $50 or $60 per month. The only difference over the free Google Workspaces is the domain name.

A more reasonable approach would’ve been to offer custom domains as part of Google One, whose pricing is far more family-friendly.

Eg, Google One provides 100GB of storage (shareable with your family Google accounts) for £16/year. Just let those who want that to link it to custom domains — Apple (iCloud+) and MS (MS 365) already offer this.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Is this for real? I've not received that email from Google. If so, I guess it's time to setup my own mailserver. I've been meaning to do it for a long while now anyway, as I'm not comfortable with the thought that Google is data-harvesting all my and my family's emails. But with mailservers being notoriously difficult to setup and configure securely, I keep putting it off. Time to get reading a few tutorials, methink…

Very easy with maininabox.email.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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The problem I have with iCloud+ isn't the product or price, it is how terrible Apple's web/cross-platform experience is. Say what you will about Google/Gmail, but it has always worked extremely well just in a browser let alone all their app offers.

Not since they redid the gmail UI, it's _intolerably_ slow. Granted, the only thing iCloud has going for it is the speed of the interface compared to gmail, the overall interface is rather poor. fwiw I use Fastmail, it's relatively inexpensive (~$100/3 years). My only real gripe is the app passwords tend to break, but the fastmail client is pretty good.

Fastmail's UI is so nimble compared to the beast that is now Gmail. Normally I get IMAP or whatever set up on my laptop but I get email so infrequently that it's really not a problem to open the web version.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Have been a G Suite legacy free user for over 10 years now, given my usage it costs them basically nothing, especially with the revenue they've made from my usage, purchasing via adverts etc.

Fairly recently Google suddenly remembered ~$15 in adwords spend from just over 7 years ago, for a now defunct business I worked at where I had (presumably by accident) used my personal adwords account as a quick test.

The problem is this was the first I'd heard about it, and in the UK it exceeds the statutory limitation period for debt recovery. I stated very clearly that what they were attempting to do is illegal in my jurisdiction and I'm more than happy to take them to the small claims court to recover costs and damages related to dealing with alleged non-payment and any subsequent account closure etc.

While the fee eventually got waived, it was impossible to talk to anybody on the phone (as I had been advised) and I kept going in loops until finally being able to 'chat' to somebody who was more useful than a chocolate teapot. It seemed they wanted me to input some billing details so they could auto-upgrade me when the time comes.

I won't be paying $6/mo, due to a spotty history I've had to rely on paying for domains for years in advance and relying on free services because the absolute last thing I want is one of my most important daily tools (e.g. account recovery, 2FA) being turned off because something unexpected happened - the amount of hassle that would cause is immense and could have some very serious knock-on effects that effectively lock me out of many other things.

I know, Google can decide to block and terminate your account across the board, so far they haven't, but it has been on my mind for a while now.

It's time to step-up my de-googling to the next level, and work on better continuity plans.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of us have been using it for more than a decade. I'm going to look around, but $6 / user / month doesn't seem outrageous to me.

I'm sure they are banking on people just ponying up the cash because they've been with them for so long. It's basically mafia protection payments. Pay us or we'll break your legs (delete all your data).

Not at all, they actually would be happy to get rid of all these low value accounts. They don’t want to maintain separate SKU, and given that this option is not available for 10 years, any potential revenue is so tiny, they just don’t want to bother.
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