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Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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> Whatever the case may be, I'm sure it's going to turn out to be something completely worthless to me. You're probably right. Here's their vision of the future: https://www.future.1password.com/ It screams CORPORATE. Not a single mention of family or single user. It's all about business security, safely sharing data, protecting your company, etc.

I mean... that seems fine? Taking a consumer product and making a business version of it feels like a totally ok way to grow a company that already has a stable product that people like. Them making new features you don't use doesn't mean they're going to break or diminish the stuff you do use. Sure, they could mess it up, but any company or open source project can mess everything up.

I can't remember a company that has served individuals and enterprises simultaeneously without one side getting a compromised offering.

One of the things I like about Apple is they don't really pander to the enterprise. They won't turn the business away but you can see it isn't a priority.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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"1Password Has Raised $620M" Ah fuck. They now need to grow at any cost to earn all that money back. And they'll throw their users under the bus, if they have to, because it's either grow like a unicorn or go bust. Also, I sincerely have no clue how a password manager could be so expensive. Last time I checked, the excellent KeePassXC was still free open source and developed by volunteers in their free time. How come…

The cost of a password manager is effectively 0 dollars for a company, so if they charge "more" than others it makes no difference.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Nerds continue to fail to grasp the value of UI/UX. This has always been why FOSS and similar solutions have failed to compete in the market in spite of being "free" and often technically superior. UI/UX is everything. Apple became the most valuable company in history on the back of UI/UX alone. Their tech is decent but not that much better than anyone else's, but their stuff is at least marginally easier to use and…

I made the same argument below but I was downvoted to hell. Bitwarden is not an alternative to 1Password that passes the wife/parent/elder test because the UX is so bad they need to call me everytime something isnt exactly working as before.

Really?

I mean, I have 1password for work, and Bitwarden for personal..

Spot the difference: https://imgur.com/a/wJQBDjV

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Exactly. Once you raise a bunch of VC money you've sold your actual business to vampires. From now on it's grow at any cost. Add bloat, feature creep, unrelated projects, cost increases, and probably user data mining and sales on top of it. How was their rather expensive subscription fee and large subscriber base not sufficient to continue operating profitably?

I’m amused by the large portion of the Hackernews userbase that seems to view venture capital as an absolute evil, given that this is YCombinator’s forum. Can you really not think of any examples where VC capital has improved a company, product, or service?

I cannot and it's widely known how they ruin thing with example after example. I'm sure some VC has helped a few people inadvertently along the way (although it was likely the founders, to the chagrin of the investors, that did anything positive). The VC business is to make money, no matter how shitty they make things, by blowing them up or letting them die, they don't care for anything else, why would they.

I would think most people view YC more in line with the Angel round, which is an entirely different view point; Angel's are actual helpful people who did something on their own to achieve success (not poser VCs) and/or are mentors and coaches who want to give back, but it's unfortunate that people need to go beyond angel to VC, and the expectation from the angels is that you must or they won't make their money.

Just because we are on a YC forum doesn't mean we have to suck the industry's dick.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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I really hope this means new product offerings with no impact on existing products, rather than "fucking with the product b/c it doesn't make us enough money".. which I'll dub corporate Marak syndrome..

I think of it as Evernote Syndrome. Take a perfectly great app and then slowly add nonsense on it until it's slow and bloated.

You say Evernote, I say Jira.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Exactly. Once you raise a bunch of VC money you've sold your actual business to vampires. From now on it's grow at any cost. Add bloat, feature creep, unrelated projects, cost increases, and probably user data mining and sales on top of it. How was their rather expensive subscription fee and large subscriber base not sufficient to continue operating profitably?

I’m amused by the large portion of the Hackernews userbase that seems to view venture capital as an absolute evil, given that this is YCombinator’s forum. Can you really not think of any examples where VC capital has improved a company, product, or service?

I don't think the problem is with capital writ large, but rather the perverse influence of capital incentives as applied to a personal security product.

The value one gains from a personal security product (data portability, availability, accessibility) is often at odds with the interests of capital, which lean towards moat construction and rent-seeking. Over time, in a for-profit company, capital will always "win". Trading equity for other peoples' cash investments only accelerates the process.

For an adjacent example, LastPass never took a dime of VC money (afaict), but their structure as a for-profit company pushed them to lock down their product and charge rents, where they had not previously. If they had taken VC money or went public instead, it may have delayed the inevitable, but it only would have been a delay, not a solution.

People in this thread are disappointed, because these companies began their lives with a compelling, free, and user-empowering invitation, and it is sad (although not at all unpredictable) to see those features taken away by the incentives of capital. I think it's understandable, and I wouldn't read it as an indictment of VC writ large.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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"1Password Has Raised $620M" Ah fuck. They now need to grow at any cost to earn all that money back. And they'll throw their users under the bus, if they have to, because it's either grow like a unicorn or go bust. Also, I sincerely have no clue how a password manager could be so expensive. Last time I checked, the excellent KeePassXC was still free open source and developed by volunteers in their free time. How come…

Why is it that whenever intrinsic, usual operations of capitalism are described (which happen 99% of the time) such as…

1) whenever VCs invest in shares of a project

2) they tend to subsidize money-losing unit economics to “reduce friction” resulting in attempts to lock-in people and monetize their attention later

3) when the VCs later dump it on the public, the company has to now answer to wall street shareholders and its executives are heavily pressured to have quarterly earnings calls

4) they must find ways to extract rents forever because whoever bought at the top (the majority) wants to see their shares go higher, even at the expense of the public interest

5) whereas cryptocurrency could be about collective ownership, if there is no separate shareholder class then the network participants ARE collectively owning the means of production (basically, textbook socialism)

Whenever something like this is stated, anarcho-capitalists and right wing libertarians say:

Oh, there is NOTHING wrong with capitalism. That’s not REAL capitalism. That is corporatism / cronyism. (Some go further and quote Mises/Say/Praxeology: “only individuals can act, organizations can’t act.”)

Then about collective ownership of the means of production / distribution / the network they say… “That’s not REAL SOCIALISM. Socialism is when you use central government and planning and has led to so much misery and famine…”

So, a mainstream application of capitalism isn’t “real” capitalism because laissez faire capitalism doesn’t require the State. But credit unions, housing cooperatives, democratically run universities and now cryptocurrency DAOs are not “real” socialism because socialism requires the State?

There is a huge double-standard here, and I would encourage ancaps to answer the following questions:

  Why not use mainstream dictionaries and
  encyclopedias for definitions?

  Why not admit libertarian socialism exists

  Why not compare the results of democracy
  vs top down ownership in organizations
  on both the participants and the public good
Also, we can move beyond Libertarian Capitalism vs Libertarian Socialism discussions, to simply ask how to best structure decision making in a project.

You can have cryptocurrency run top-down where people work on stuff to survive, and the parent company must make profits. Or you can remove the profit motive and have wikipedia, open source, science, etc. But then you’d need to subsidize people’s maslow’s needs with a UBI.

See for example how your very news and media is affected by the profit motive… compare something like WikiNews vs CNN and Fox. Where are the movements to do something about it? Here is one example I am working on myself: https://rational.app

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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"1Password Has Raised $620M" Ah fuck. They now need to grow at any cost to earn all that money back. And they'll throw their users under the bus, if they have to, because it's either grow like a unicorn or go bust. Also, I sincerely have no clue how a password manager could be so expensive. Last time I checked, the excellent KeePassXC was still free open source and developed by volunteers in their free time. How come…

> Also, I sincerely have no clue how a password manager could be so expensive. Last time I checked, the excellent KeePassXC was still free open source and developed by volunteers in their free time. Because 1Password is easy enough to use that my wife and I can share a family plan without her getting frustrated. If one of us has a login the other needs, we can easily share it. When I evaluated KeePass, the Wife-Accep…

This exactly. "Selling" a password manager to a non-tech person who either uses the same password everywhere or someone who writes weak passwords on post-its is a hard sell. It's a lot of added complexity and more importantly, a different way to think about passwords: you no longer know any of your passwords, except one for the password manager itself.

1Password does a pretty good job of this; as a user I do not need to worry about syncing the database, keeping an app up to date (the website is always up to date) etc.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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I wish the Apple password manager worked cross platform.

Apple provides a plug-in for Chrome to allow use of your stored passwords on Windows. Announced last year. I've tried it on Windows, appears to work, but do not know how secure it is. --- Edited to remove references to Linux. Appears to be Windows only.

It seemed quite buggy when I tried it.
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