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Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by pjmlp »

yepthatsreality wrote: post #349
pjmlp wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twisting the definition is acknowledging having lost the original goal. Projects don't pivot just because it feels good doing so. Same applies to Windows on the server room, WSL did not became a standard option despite the years of Virtual Box and VMWare just because Microsoft though it would be nice to do so.

> Twisting the definition is acknowledging having lost the original goal. No it doesn’t. It just acknowledges that times change, software gets better, and idea is made more accomplishable instead of betting on a single year where some sort of great migration happens (which was silly).

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Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by nerdponx »

jhasse wrote: post #343
nerdponx wrote: post #107

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I think MacOS got something right by using its Command key for "desktop-wide" shortcuts that aren't specific to one application, (kind of) leaving Ctrl and Alt for applications. I generally try to follow this pattern when possible. But I really do wish that it was easier to get a consistent look and feel on Linux, including key bindings.

except that it doesn't ... e.g. switching workspaces on mac ist ctrl+arrow.

That's why I said "kind of".

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by 1_player »

pjmlp wrote: post #370
1_player wrote: post #350

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The Xbox doesn't show a Windows desktop when you plug stuff in. Your constant trolling on Linux threads isn't appreciated.

It is called experience from a failed Linux Desktop sales pitch. Been there done that. Ex-Linux zealot, whose digital trail even includes emails using M$ on the signature.

You've gone from being one zealot to another. Oh well, whatever floats your boat.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by _dain_ »

db48x wrote: post #365
_dain_ wrote: post #362

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because as I said, if I already have something on the clipboard, I don't want it to be overwritten by everything I highlight. a non-copying reason to highlight is the "search for" feature in a browser, I use that all the time. a very common thing is to highlight some text, then highlight some other text in an input field or text editing program, then paste to replace the highlighted text with the copied text. if all…

Ah, I see. It looks like you have three similar reasons. The first is something I guess I don’t do. If I select something that I want to paste somewhere, then I’m going to paste it right away; I already know exactly where it goes. The second is that searching in applications you use frequently replaces the selection? That’s not how it’s supposed to work. Applications are supposed to claim the primary selection only w…

>The first is something I guess I don’t do. If I select something that I want to paste somewhere, then I’m going to paste it right away; I already know exactly where it goes.

I often want to paste things multiple times. e.g. I paste an interesting URL to an instant message chat, then maybe 10 minutes later I paste the same URL to someone else.

>The second is that searching in applications you use frequently replaces the selection?

no that's not what I mean. I'm talking about this: https://imgur.com/QiQiBLT.png

suppose I didn't know what "appending" meant and I wanted to search for it. I can highlight it, rightclick, then choose "search Google". I don't want to paste "appending" anywhere, I just want to search Google for it. but the act of highlighting it will overwrite whatever is in the middleclick buffer. so if that's the only clipboard I had, searching the web would interfere with copypaste, which is stupid.

>This one is more subtle, but pasting from the primary selection into a textbox is supposed to replace the content of the text box, rather than appending to it.

again that's not what I meant. I'm talking about taking a portion of the text in one textbox and replacing it with the text from elsewhere. for example, suppose I want to change part of the message I'm typing right now with lorem ipsum. it looks like this:

[1] https://imgur.com/GWldV00.png (ctrl-c copies)

[2] https://imgur.com/63RrISF.png (highlight destination. this overrides middleclick buffer, destroying the lorem ipsum copy if it were placed there)

[3] https://imgur.com/zGavx2b.png (ctrl-v pastes)

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by db48x »

_dain_ wrote: post #374
db48x wrote: post #365

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Ah, I see. It looks like you have three similar reasons. The first is something I guess I don’t do. If I select something that I want to paste somewhere, then I’m going to paste it right away; I already know exactly where it goes. The second is that searching in applications you use frequently replaces the selection? That’s not how it’s supposed to work. Applications are supposed to claim the primary selection only w…

>The first is something I guess I don’t do. If I select something that I want to paste somewhere, then I’m going to paste it right away; I already know exactly where it goes. I often want to paste things multiple times. e.g. I paste an interesting URL to an instant message chat, then maybe 10 minutes later I paste the same URL to someone else. >The second is that searching in applications you use frequently replaces…

Sure, I understand. You can also do that by reversing the order of the two operations (paste into the document, then select and delete the unnecessary text), or you can use both selections (select the text to be copied while holding down alt, then select the text to replace while not holding alt, and middle click from the secondary selection by holding alt).

But that’s not really the point; the point is that it’s nice to have both mechanisms available. Some people will find selections more convenient, others won’t.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by kevinak »

robertoandred wrote: post #239
kevinak wrote: post #9

I recently installed Pop_OS on a new Workstation and wanted it to look and feel like MacOS as much as possible. It's surprisingly easy. You can even make Firefox look like Safari if that's your jazz. Here's what I used: https://github.com/vinceliuice/WhiteSur-gtk-theme

But does it work like a Mac?

I find it to be close enough for my purposes. I've also re-bound some keyboard shortcuts.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by mpcannabrava »

I'm a very happy Pop OS user for the last year and other Linux flavors long before that. Windows as a kid because where I grew up the Apple ecosystem is just prohibitively expensive.

OSS is the future, please support it. Apple won't be around forever, OSS will.

The work System76 is doing is phenomenal.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by skinnymuch »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #352
skinnymuch wrote: post #330

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genuinely asking, what sort of tuning do Windows and Linux have that Mac doesn’t? I’m sure it will be obvious once I’m given examples, but for now I don’t get it. From what you’ve said, gnome and kde is something. From my limited experience with them, the major difference that Mac can’t do is the menu bar or Windows style bottom bar as different options. Mac does stick with the top menu bar as something always there…

Well for example on Mac it seems to be impossible to turn off stuff like "App Nap" completely. I want my workstation to run 24/7 so it is ready and responsive whenever I need it. Yet in the latest versions I used every time I returned to my Mac I saw all the apps 'catching up' for a while, they had obviously been sleeping. And I had all sleep functions turned off in the GUI and with CLI commands like pmset. Yet they…

Ah interesting. I always assumed running a basic app that keeps the Mac fully on work. Maybe I haven’t noticed this stuff not working. Maybe whichever app I used worked?

Yeah agree with SIP stuff. I don’t have that stuff turned on. Im on Catalina and Big Sur so I also have wanted stuff like you said and do that. However I completely agree with you. I expect at some point MacOS won’t let me even semi easily edit stuff like that. It’ll be like iOS which I jailbreak usually and then customize ssh etc. however iOS 15 also has newer SIP sort of things that now mean jailbreaking won’t be allowed to edit the root file system.

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I was thinking the things that would be brought up would be random geeky sort of stuff. Like the plethora of apps I use on Mac (usually procrastinating) that let me do quite a bit without putting into much time. Like alt tab alternative app, using keyboard as much as possible, keyboard maestro and apple script for GUI automation, etc.

Not saying Linux can’t do all that. I was more thinking in situations like that are comparable.

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I do want to try FreeBSD soon one day. Hopefully this will push me to prioritize that.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by jimktrains2 »

commoner wrote: post #364
jimktrains2 wrote: post #271

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I do it every day and never have issues with scrolling vs pasting. The biggest issue is that some apps don't play nice with the x clipboard.

When I hold down the middle mouse button to scroll, change my mind, and then release the middle mouse button to move the cursor elsewhere, that results in an unwanted paste. That has happened enough times, especially in code editors, for the selection clipboard to be an annoyance for me whenever I am using a keyboard equipped with a pointing stick. Some desktop environments and Linux apps have the option to turn off…

> That has happened enough times, especially in code editors

Ah, that's probably the difference. I don't usually scroll through a text editor (as I'm usually using vim). I can definitely see how it'd be an issue in a graphical text editor.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by somenewaccount1 »

1_player wrote: post #299
somenewaccount1 wrote: post #66

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Lol. I came here to say the only thing that matters is that copy and paste in Linux is 'cntrl+shift+c'. You can try changing it, but your still fucked in most terminals, and then you end up with two key combos depending on context. It's a nightmare, and I'm really glad you have the top comment. Clearly I'm not alone.

Get yourself a terminal that supports smart copy. It's a thing. Tilix, kitty, Windows Terminal and others support using ctrl-c for both copy-to-clipboard and SIGINT. To me it's a game changer and judging from the sibling comments, pretty much no one knows this is a feature that exists. Ctrl-Shift-C/V is barbaric and I have opened issues and merge requests to implement it in other popular terminal emulators.

Dang, some sweet advice. Thank you!
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