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Re: Oh, 2022

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Would anyone have predicted that a sizeable minority of people would simply deny the existence of the pandemic and/or refuse to do the most basic precautions to protect society? Not ten years ago.

Yeah, that one has really thrown me for a loop. Just how willing a large segment of the population can be to "score points" against the other side... by killing themselves. It is kind of funny, the pandemic could have been politicized the other way as well: "wear a mask to protect yourself from ethnic group's disease", and such. But as it turned out, the primary concern was with just one man's ego, and trying to pret…

fun fact, masks were politicized the other way during the AIDS epidemic in the 1980s. try "homosexual diseases threaten american families" on Google Images.

Re: Oh, 2022

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Your characterization of my self, my views, and my soul are correct. I am a disintegrated man -- lacking any boundary or inkling of personality. I do not have any sense of ego, or self. I do not feel anything. I am an animal; a beast that cares for nothing more than primal urges. My caricature of "the way things are" is only bleak, fatalistic, and sad if you allow it to be. I don't consider it to be any of those thin…

> Yet, I am at peace. Can you say the same?

Absolutely not. :) Thank you for your candor in your reply, this has been far more interesting than I expected. I appreciate your willingness to saddle forth & meet a lot.

I for one don't think we should be at peace. I don't think history has been at peace, I don't think stasis or peace has held much domain, and it's not a becoming position for humans or humanity. Accepting & integrating change is vital. This is my primary contention really, between our views, that I see: I'd characterize your view (primarily your previous, rather than this most recently reply) with where we are now as fait-acompli, saying that society has arrived at it's final destiny, where we will reside, and that this place of residing is representative of the final choice of the free hand. It's convenient to give up personal involvement, to accept existence as it is or as it goes, but in an active, changing universe, I think it behooves us to pay attention, to consider, to reflect, to imagine & shape & hone our personal truths & desires amid the churn of greater existence, rather than to take tranquility & passivity as a pinnacle of personal being.

I'm not as young and open as I used to be, and we're in a time that is much stickier, much more stuck & slow than the fast-moving, exciting, evolving pace I grew up in. In particular, constraints are much higher, surplus is lower, the stakes seem more serious than ever. But I still see the current world as extremely young, I still see this newly dawned information society as more happenstance than destiny, and still believe there's a lot of shifting & settling & figuring out to do.

My particular beliefs about our current stance, position, & potential are not that important, but currently are as so. I think there's a lot of routes available to us all, individually and en masse, that will lead to a more tranquil, more reasonable, more agreeable information society. And that when we do encounter strife & impetus towards "spiritual violence" (or impetus towards change), we'll better be able to see & understand a much wider set of the parallax, not feel so alone in our protests against ill/the unfit, be able to tap into & explore & comprehend views that are more intermediary & tempered. We'll have better assessment of a much larger lay of the land than we get at the moment. Our use of words & replies leads to polarization & contestation, but I tend to think a more hyperlinked, better referenced, better annotated society can hint a lot more of the nuance & character & context than the immediate, unbuffered, direct-reply existence that today's connected society can muster.

But this is just one particular perspective, one particular evolutionary path, one embodied in some of my current hopes. What's more distinct, more clear to me is that we are changing. Society is changing & evolving. Where we are is not a great destination, and where we go will be shaped & changed by many, and many of those steps will be small, humble, personal steps, that are echoes and amplified. Humanity learns, society learns, the connected society grows, taking advantage of more advanced signal processing. From this lies much hope, that we can gain much wider perspective, much more appreciation for complexity & dynamics, appreciate the openness about us, & quest forth with stronger convictions, more weakly held.

I don't personally think happiness & tranquility & letting go is a very noble or interesting objective, convenient though it may be. Your notes on "spiritual violence", or trying to "influence" indeed sound rightly a counter to much of the malady we experience now, but I still feel like your remedy is drinking the poison, accepting minddeath, giving up. You talk about touching others souls, but to me, this is primarily a belief that we can better touch our own souls, better find ourselves. And a belief that that matters. When we find our own light, when we can better identify other's light, that adds. There's a duality, for we risk great harm if we take ourselves too seriously, if we weigh ourselves on influence. I believe strongly in many of the same harms you write against. But we also live in a malleable time, & how we calibrate & steer ourselves is relevant. Where we are is not settled, and this time, more than ever, is in need of those attuning to the fainter signals, those seeking to make ripples in their own lives & broadly especially with those sympathetic others also seeking finer attunement. Humanity's great antenna needs the seekers, needs those listening for better, for wider, those with a will to mete out & share clearly their evolving views & perspectives. Real feeling, real caring, real involvement is dangerous today, because it is a hard & bigger than ever world we face. But I feel encouraged that wiser than ever, more nuanced & wider seeing than ever, more self-empowering, self-organizing, self-evident/sharing than ever humans can keep arising, that consciousness & truthseeking can keep evolving. We are not stuck upon a rock. It is self-evident to me that information society has changed massively in the past half-decade, that it is changing, and will change further; some of those signs are bad, polarized, attached, seeking influence & obsessed. But to me- in my personal paradigm- the cure is not peace, is not tranquility, is not acceptance; we are still in change and in flux, that is clear, and I believe in those who would push for clearer purchases, those who would try to build more robust & clear information networks, those who would pull in more context & history to fill in the scene, to illuminate better real perspective, real possibility, that finds real & genuine hope & possibility. I believe the change & evolution we surely face can still bring us good.

Re: Oh, 2022

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That might work if you could get all the animals vaccinated, too. But they are not being vaccinated at all, and won't be. They will continue innovating new strains on their own initiative. Herd immunity works only for microbes that have species preference. So, herd immunity turns out to be a fond delusion. We can only hope that the mice don't innovate a 40% fatal (in humans) strain as contagious as omicron. We certai…

The nice thing about viruses (although maybe not that nice considering we're talking about death) is that as fatality goes up, infectivity generally goes down. Also the virus will also quickly burn through the infected population and so it won't have as many opportunities for asymptomatic spread like with the Coronavirus.

It is hard to generalize reliably about viruses because each one relies on a different bag of tricks to be able to work at all.

It is just lucky that the fatal ones often also work fast. But measles and smallpox, for two examples, did not self-limit at all effectively, depopulating whole regions. And the ones fatal to us but not to animal carriers completely sidestep the trend, even such as it is.

A future strain of SARS hosted in animals can probably be counted on to sidestep that trend.

Re: Oh, 2022

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> business fleets In every case that I am aware of, a business takes care of this (i.e. I've seen it done). It's not exactly complicated - it's just a bit of work.

In most cases that I am aware of, small businesses have zero ability to deal with this. For example, the local HVAC company has 12 or so vans that are just parked in some lot with a small office. There is no garage and no infrastructure for charging. Same with my landscape person and snow removal person and so forth. They just park their vehicles in some warehouse lot.

If the lot has power, wouldn't they just install charging infrastructure? From a quick search around, it doesn't look too expensive. Unless the weather is an issue while it's charging?

Re: Oh, 2022

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I am definitely not worried about the consequences of climate change. I am ready to deal with it. What I am worried about are politicians forcing us to do things justified by climate change.

Conversely, I'm more worried about people with your point of view than I am about climate change. Since this kind of "I'm scared of representative government telling me what to do" stance means that even if we're able to collectively decide to take meaningful action on improving the state of the planet, there will always be a group who declares that they won't help.

I do not remember that the people were asked about climate change.

Who decides what is good and what is bad for the state of the planet?

Re: Oh, 2022

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I am definitely not worried about the consequences of climate change. I am ready to deal with it. What I am worried about are politicians forcing us to do things justified by climate change.

What has got you prepared?

Nature.

Re: Oh, 2022

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> But this is all predictable. (Except for COVID19 which was wide-screen WTFery, like the second world war—September 1st 1939 was not in fact predictable from September 1st 1929, for example: all that was predictable was that another European war would sooner or later see France and Germany at loggerheads.) I can't understand what this is saying. Not sure what 'wide-screen WTFery' is, but lots of people were predicti…

>but lots of people were predicting a pandemic, even covid-like if I remember correctly. If you look at [1] the January 2020 - predictions for 2030 thread here on HN, and look for hints of the Covid pandemic, there are only 3 mentions of any type of pandemic, and none of those was close to an actual hit. I did the reading, all of the reading. 1 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21941278

Super interesting. I feel like just a very short time later, this would have been very different. I was on a flight from Germany to Japan via Shanghai on 7 January 2020 and in my memory, that "new virus from China" was already a concern (although only because I was passing through China), and about 2-3 weeks later, masks were sold out EVERYWHERE in Japan (or Tokyo at least).

It feels crazy now that, despite all that, I went to the Ghibli Museum with my friends at the end of February 2020 and it was packed with people (and barely anyone wearing a mask). Just a week later, my return flight to Germany was canceled and I became concerned that I might get stuck in Japan. By the way, I was able to get on a flight on 20 March 2020 (Narita to Frankfurt) and it was almost completely empty. Things happened so fast.

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