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Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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vineyardmike wrote: post #21
thinkingemote wrote: post #11

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There's more of a moral maze when it comes to forced, mandated vaccination, which I think this is about. For example, it can be argued that it is an individuals right to choose what happens to their body, healthcare should be voluntary and people should expect no penalty in a healthy free society. That's different than if a vaccine is morally ok to choose voluntarily.

No it’s not. We’ve had mandated vaccines forever and no one cared until it became political during covid. People made it political and people are avoiding vaccines for politic. blaming it protecting freedoms i stead harming public health for politics is a less morally corrupt stance to take.

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Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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Post by thinkingemote »

vineyardmike wrote: post #21
thinkingemote wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's more of a moral maze when it comes to forced, mandated vaccination, which I think this is about. For example, it can be argued that it is an individuals right to choose what happens to their body, healthcare should be voluntary and people should expect no penalty in a healthy free society. That's different than if a vaccine is morally ok to choose voluntarily.

No it’s not. We’ve had mandated vaccines forever and no one cared until it became political during covid. People made it political and people are avoiding vaccines for politic. blaming it protecting freedoms i stead harming public health for politics is a less morally corrupt stance to take.

This comment would read better if it were to admit that yes it is a different moral question to be forced to do something compared to doing something voluntarily but that in this context of the vaccine it's a not bad choice.

Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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Post by azinman2 »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #100
azinman2 wrote: post #83

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There is no global waiting list, so whether one in the US takes a vaccine or not isn't going to result in someone else being able to get that same vaccine. Societies make decisions about health of its members all the time in many ways. Which, by the way, has nothing to do with religion and the topic on hand.

As of now, Africa is still waiting for vaccines: https://www.kuow.org/stories/for-the-36-countries-with-the-l... It would be disinformation to suggest there is an over-abundance globally.

I didn’t suggest there was a global over-abundance. I’m suggesting that distribution logistics and business models don’t mean leftover vaccines end up going to Africa.

Go get vaccinated if you can. For so many reasons that are very well documented.

Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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Post by arcticbull »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #75
arcticbull wrote: post #43

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Not murdering people by spreading disease is a societal mandate too, in my opinion. People who spread deadly STDs like AIDS can be held liable for attempted murder. It seems we've already decided as a society that knowingly spreading deadly disease is a kind of violence. It doesn't extend here to the same degree because it's obviously much less deadly (and so much is circulating, proving who gave it to you is all but…

I am confused what you are referring to. I am talking about how people should forced to vaccinate (unless medical exemption) or not forced at all to vaccinate. Letting “religious” people off the hook is nonsensical and contrary to the principles of separation of church and state.

Oh, I'm so sorry, I think we were just talking past eachother. You and I agree.

Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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Post by vineyardmike »

thinkingemote wrote: post #102
vineyardmike wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it’s not. We’ve had mandated vaccines forever and no one cared until it became political during covid. People made it political and people are avoiding vaccines for politic. blaming it protecting freedoms i stead harming public health for politics is a less morally corrupt stance to take.

This comment would read better if it were to admit that yes it is a different moral question to be forced to do something compared to doing something voluntarily but that in this context of the vaccine it's a not bad choice.

Being forced to do something, yes is a different moral question.

Being forced to get a vaccine is a moral question we answered a long time ago, however.

Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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Post by vineyardmike »

sebow wrote: post #55
vineyardmike wrote: post #29

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I agree that the register is a bad and dangerous road but can we all at least recognize that “religion” is actually “politics” in this case. We’re identifying blind trump loyalists who were tricked by the political system into choosing politics over public health.

Since when refusing the vaccine is equivalent to being a "trumpist"? In case you're not aware of it, the biggest group in US who is "vaccine-hesitant" are higher-educated individuals with PhDs(and for reference the least hesitant one is individuals with masters).Though it shifts a bit over time, people with PhDs have never been exclusively right-wing, let alone trump loyalists.Usually the opposite actually. [0] - htt…

1. Both of those links are the same study, not different sources.

2. While PHDs are now the most hesitant education level, the source you linked shows a stronger correlation with the political affiliation of the county/state of the individual instead of education levels, where trump=hesitant.

Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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Post by Ancapistani »

Boxxed wrote: post #71
Ancapistani wrote: post #41

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> We’ve had mandated vaccines forever That’s news to me.

My state requires about a half dozen vaccines (polio, HepB, MMR, ...) to attend any public school from K to college. For some reason there's some sort of collective amnesia about this and people are acting like this is the first time there's been a vaccine requirement.

That's different in several ways.

First, it isn't truly a "mandate". It applies to the vast majority of people and the vast majority of those people comply without complaint, true - but it's possible to avoid it if that's your intent.

My wife and I homeschool our children. While vaccination requirements have absolutely nothing to do with our decision to do so, it has given us the opportunity to consider which vaccinations we feel make sense for our children, and which we feel don't. I'd have to go back through their records to be sure which ones we decided against, but there are some things we vaccinate against as a society where the both the incidence rate and potential severity are extremely low, and the risk of serious side effects - while also extremely low - outweighs the potential reward in our eyes. Through this process, we also decided that it made sense to use a different vaccination schedule than is typical, and to do separate injections for things that are usually "bundled" (e.g., MMR).

Second, those measures effect children, not adults. While I don't agree with this position, it's generally accepted that the state has greater latitude in protecting the health and safety of minors than with adults.

Finally, there are people who vocally oppose at least some of the childhood vaccination requirements. Merck lobbied for the inclusion of an HPV vaccine (Gardasil) in the requirements for school, which got a lot of flack from the right. IMO, their rationale was silly ("It promotes sexual activity!"), but that's still an example of people strongly opposing a vaccine requirement.

Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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Post by vineyardmike »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #70
merlincorey wrote: post #58

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If you or your parents want you to go to Public School in America, most places require vaccinations unless there is a medical exception. Religious exceptions in many places would lead to home schooling because the Public School is not required to accept your child. The CDC has a nice polar graph displaying the state-by-state exemptions for Public School: https://www.cdc.gov/phlp/publications/topic/vaccinations.htm...

That isn’t a mandate. Just as we presently don’t have a mandate in America. Just limits on aspiring typhoid Mary’s.

And none of the COVID vaccine rules are mandates then. If you want to go to public school, you need vaccines. Now, if you want to go to public work, you need vaccines. You can be a hermit at home and not get any vaccine in america and no one is going to come around with a needle and force it in you.
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