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Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

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Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

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Fun story time: a few years back I worked at a major EU "traditional" (non-FAANG) IT company, and they were using Apache for handling web traffic. Rumour was that nginx, being already a backbone of half of internet, was dismissed as "too new" :) (we're talking mid-2010s)

Waiting for everybody else to test the product before you migrate is perfectly common sense strategy. Especially if that product does not give you any special edge over competition.

Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

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post #73

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>except, of course, when it does. To a good first approximation, zero people mean "god be with you" when they say "goodbye". That might be the etymological origin of the word, but meanings shift over time.

except, you know, the person you're conversing with this very moment, so that's a really bad (local) first approximation!

> except, you know, the person you're conversing with this very moment, so that's a really bad (local) first approximation!

Well there's that saying about all models are wrong, and some are just more useful than others.

My country is thankfully becoming more secular as demographics change, so hopefully that first approximation improves over time.

Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

#103

People need to stop with this Cloudflare captcha madness. I literally accessed nginx.com a few hours ago and now it hit me with a captcha again.

Also... It's nginx.com, owned by F5. Am I the only one who thinks it's a little weird, borderline embarrassing, that they're not fronting traffic themselves? "We make the best load bouncers and web server. That's why we ... Outsourced our ingress to another company that doesn't use our load balancers and which only uses our web server as part of their stack. Let the experts deal with heavy traffic, y'know?"

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Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

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post #45

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I mean there was lighttpd before nginx and they have/had pretty similar structures, weights, etc. I feel like I knew at one point why it got so thoroughly supplanted by nginx but I don't remember now why that happened.

The performance engineering in NGINX back then was really quite something. This classic 2007 tutorial starts by pointing out that NGINX parses the HTTP verb by looking at the second letter first, so that if it's O it knows to check for POST or COPY! https://web.archive.org/web/20070505051653/http://www.riceon...

Yes, nginx code is something you spend a lot of time studying and hope one day you can do as well.

Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

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I know this is massively off-topic (have a good well paid "retirement" Igor), but I assumed that it would be written as Dos Vidaniya instead of (the correct) Do svidanyia My Russian studies is limited to listening to Sean Connery in The Russia House, and I guess I took Dos from the latin languages. Odd.

It's worse than that, the first thing that I scanned in the article is if he is alive. A title like that without a pre-defined context more often, in my native Russian perception, could mean much worse that just leaving a company. I'm glad he's doing well, I really enjoy NGINX as a casual user. It is a great gift to people. Удачи (good luck) or всего хорошего (best wishes) would not trigger such a reaction to scan th…

maybe they've updated, but the fourth paragraph is currently "we announce today Igor has chosen to step back..."

which would seem to imply "not dead". but given the tone of the first three paragraphs i think even that is a bit too late in the post to clarify.

Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

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I know this is massively off-topic (have a good well paid "retirement" Igor), but I assumed that it would be written as Dos Vidaniya instead of (the correct) Do svidanyia My Russian studies is limited to listening to Sean Connery in The Russia House, and I guess I took Dos from the latin languages. Odd.

It's worse than that, the first thing that I scanned in the article is if he is alive. A title like that without a pre-defined context more often, in my native Russian perception, could mean much worse that just leaving a company. I'm glad he's doing well, I really enjoy NGINX as a casual user. It is a great gift to people. Удачи (good luck) or всего хорошего (best wishes) would not trigger such a reaction to scan th…

As another native Russian speaker, to me the headline explicitly did mean that Igor is alive, and the subsequent meeting would be in the physical plane of our existence. Had it been one of the closer synonyms of "Good bye", I myself would have surmised the worst.

Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

#107
post #47

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Cloudflare uses a heuristic trust model where it pulls multiple trust signals from the client. It can use several things (including stable IP address, cookies, and I think even a bit of JavaScript grabbing a nonce from local storage). If you run with a lot of "identity fuzzers" (browsing through Tor, JavaScript off, cookies banned), Cloudflare can't build its trust heuristics and needs to challenge-response more ofte…

They are breaking the web, plain and simple. Google with AMP, Cloudfare with their idiotic capchas.

Speaking of which, is it possible Cloudflare is paid by Google to display re-captchas? Someone needs to train those deep neurons.

Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

#108
post #35

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I think in general, it's probably best to avoid this kind of etymological explanation of the 'actual meaning' of some word or expression because they tend to obscure the usage and, well, actual actual meaning. Saying 'goodbye' in English doesn't really mean saying 'God be with you' to someone, even though that's what it's originally a contraction of. They're fine as etymology, of course!

On the contrary, I find etymological explanations often most enlightening. Although, I am fully aware that it might just be an origin of a word or a phrase and not the contemporary meaning. Your argument sounds defeatist to me. To paraphrase it: since the 'actual meaning' alone is not a perfect explanation we should not even try to understand the roots of words and their heritage. Then you can stop understanding the…

I concur, one can learn a lot about the culture when learning a new language. For example, in Swedish you say hello simply with “hej”. And as you may have guessed, Swedes are not big on introductory formalities even in the business context. On the other hand, German and many other languages have different words for you and You (“du” and “Sie”, pronounced Zie). As one may guess, You do not address unfamiliar people with “du”, there is a process to get to know people to the point when You ask a person if you shall switch to a “first-name basis” (this phrase gives a hint that in English, one uses the last name to address an unfamiliar person instead).

Edit: I was deeply impressed when I saw a photo of one of Einstein’s letters after he migrated to the US. Such a highly accomplished scientist still opened his letters to colleagues with “Sehr geehrter Herr Professor Dr.” (highly esteemed dr. professor, sir). This tells me all I need to know how cultured Einstein was.

Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

#109
post #73

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>except, of course, when it does. To a good first approximation, zero people mean "god be with you" when they say "goodbye". That might be the etymological origin of the word, but meanings shift over time.

Most people don't become polyglots either, though, so that's not a good measure of the utility. It's not a question of language-learners learning etymology would be useful to the man on the Chatham bus, it's a question of whether it is useful to language-learners. Knowing the etymology of, e.g., "goodbye" makes it click faster/not be weird when you learn, e.g, that "hello" is "Dia is Muire duit" (God and Mary be with…

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Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worse than that, the first thing that I scanned in the article is if he is alive. A title like that without a pre-defined context more often, in my native Russian perception, could mean much worse that just leaving a company. I'm glad he's doing well, I really enjoy NGINX as a casual user. It is a great gift to people. Удачи (good luck) or всего хорошего (best wishes) would not trigger such a reaction to scan th…

Maybe it was just some sort of click bait to keep the reader on the page...

I would rather think machine translation and learning foreign languages should be better in general. But that is probably a C2-level subtlety, so if a non-Russian was writing that I could understand.

I imagine a situation: EN copywriter asks a RU colleague how to say "Goodbye", gets "Do svidaniya" as a transliteration without a context, and just puts it there. Which sounds like farewell.

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