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Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

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Post by saurik »

lstodd wrote: post #60
schoolornot wrote: post #6

It still surprises me that NGINX beat out Apache so quickly even though Apache had way more modules and was/is entirely free vs. NGINX which is more or less "open core" with some nice features requiring commercial licensing.

Back when the Apache was beaten there was no commercial licensing in Nginx. Also the Apache that was beaten was Apache 1, which was fork-only, and that was the whole reason Nginx was written in the first place. Then Apache did Apache2 with mpm modules and badly missed the mark. After that Apache was doomed. No async support == dead. It was that simple.

mpm_event though from Apache 2.4 was async and kind of great.

Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

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Post by jakub_g »

Fun story time: a few years back I worked at a major EU "traditional" (non-FAANG) IT company, and they were using Apache for handling web traffic. Rumour was that nginx, being already a backbone of half of internet, was dismissed as "too new" :) (we're talking mid-2010s)

Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

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Post by robertlagrant »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #33
schoolornot wrote: post #6

It still surprises me that NGINX beat out Apache so quickly even though Apache had way more modules and was/is entirely free vs. NGINX which is more or less "open core" with some nice features requiring commercial licensing.

The web changed. We moved away from static HTML pages and CGI scripts to monolithic application servers in java, ruby, python, etc. Apache excelled with these static content sites and simple auth scenarios (remember .htaccess files?) but became painfully complex proxying application servers. Nginx was doing exactly what was needed at exactly the time it was needed.

Yes - this would be my take as well.

Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

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Post by yakovsi »

josefrichter wrote: post #83
smarx007 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To add a bit more, "svidaniye" means a date, and "Do svidaniya" literally means "till [our next] date". In English, "see you" or "see you later" translates closest to the original phrase in Russian.

It's interesting, because "svidanyie" in Russian is probably closely related to "svitani" in Czech, which means "sunrise", nothing else. But more literally "svitani" would probably translate as "meet again". Fascinating how meanings morph and sometimes the original meaning is fairly obfuscated.

it's not. it's from "videt'", to see

Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

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Post by c7DJTLrn »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #70

I know this is massively off-topic (have a good well paid "retirement" Igor), but I assumed that it would be written as Dos Vidaniya instead of (the correct) Do svidanyia My Russian studies is limited to listening to Sean Connery in The Russia House, and I guess I took Dos from the latin languages. Odd.

I thought it was a typo and meant to say "to". Why not use Cyrillic here? Bit odd.

Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

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Post by smarx007 »

josefrichter wrote: post #83
smarx007 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To add a bit more, "svidaniye" means a date, and "Do svidaniya" literally means "till [our next] date". In English, "see you" or "see you later" translates closest to the original phrase in Russian.

It's interesting, because "svidanyie" in Russian is probably closely related to "svitani" in Czech, which means "sunrise", nothing else. But more literally "svitani" would probably translate as "meet again". Fascinating how meanings morph and sometimes the original meaning is fairly obfuscated.

Funny, as a Ukrainian I never connected it this way, precisely for the same reason. In Ukrainian, “svitanok” means sunrise, with the root “svit” (world, but also light). In Russian, “svidanie” should have the root “vid” (view, sighting). So, to me, those are words with totally different roots :) https://ru.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/свидание points to https://ru.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/vidět in the etymology, among other things. But your interpretation would have been quite cool, though I don’t meet people often at the sunrise!

Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

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Post by rgbrgb »

petre wrote: post #47
shadowgovt wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloudflare uses a heuristic trust model where it pulls multiple trust signals from the client. It can use several things (including stable IP address, cookies, and I think even a bit of JavaScript grabbing a nonce from local storage). If you run with a lot of "identity fuzzers" (browsing through Tor, JavaScript off, cookies banned), Cloudflare can't build its trust heuristics and needs to challenge-response more ofte…

They are breaking the web, plain and simple. Google with AMP, Cloudfare with their idiotic capchas.

One might argue that it's the abusive actors Cloudflare blocks who are breaking the web.

Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

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Post by pvg »

funcDropShadow wrote: post #72
pvg wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think in general, it's probably best to avoid this kind of etymological explanation of the 'actual meaning' of some word or expression because they tend to obscure the usage and, well, actual actual meaning. Saying 'goodbye' in English doesn't really mean saying 'God be with you' to someone, even though that's what it's originally a contraction of. They're fine as etymology, of course!

On the contrary, I find etymological explanations often most enlightening. Although, I am fully aware that it might just be an origin of a word or a phrase and not the contemporary meaning. Your argument sounds defeatist to me. To paraphrase it: since the 'actual meaning' alone is not a perfect explanation we should not even try to understand the roots of words and their heritage. Then you can stop understanding the…

Your paraphrase sounds more like some hypothetical argument you'd like to take engage in, not anything I actually wrote.

Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

petre wrote: post #47
shadowgovt wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloudflare uses a heuristic trust model where it pulls multiple trust signals from the client. It can use several things (including stable IP address, cookies, and I think even a bit of JavaScript grabbing a nonce from local storage). If you run with a lot of "identity fuzzers" (browsing through Tor, JavaScript off, cookies banned), Cloudflare can't build its trust heuristics and needs to challenge-response more ofte…

They are breaking the web, plain and simple. Google with AMP, Cloudfare with their idiotic capchas.

What's the alternative? Abusive traffic is the norm rather then an exception. This gets into the same argument when people say they don't need a CDN; it's a relic from when bad actors were rare.

Re: Do svidaniya, Igor, and thank you for Nginx

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Post by jsdwarf »

buybackoff wrote: post #90
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #70

I know this is massively off-topic (have a good well paid "retirement" Igor), but I assumed that it would be written as Dos Vidaniya instead of (the correct) Do svidanyia My Russian studies is limited to listening to Sean Connery in The Russia House, and I guess I took Dos from the latin languages. Odd.

It's worse than that, the first thing that I scanned in the article is if he is alive. A title like that without a pre-defined context more often, in my native Russian perception, could mean much worse that just leaving a company. I'm glad he's doing well, I really enjoy NGINX as a casual user. It is a great gift to people. Удачи (good luck) or всего хорошего (best wishes) would not trigger such a reaction to scan th…

Maybe it was just some sort of click bait to keep the reader on the page...
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