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Re: Wine 7.0

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Post by kbenson »

HeckFeck wrote: post #68
Legion wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never thought to try this. Now I have to try this.

You're welcome to join! Installation requires the 32 bit Wine runtime, which will require pulling in your distro's 32 bit libs. After that set export WINEARCH="win32" in your env, just run setup and all is golden. It is worth noting that Office 97 + all deps required for 32 bit Wine is still a smaller installation size than any recent Office.

Interestingly, this announcement makes it sound like you might not even need 32-bit libraries anymore:

- The 64-bit Windows-on-Windows (WoW64) architecture is implemented, and supports running a 32-bit Windows application inside a 64-bit Unix host process, using thunks to map 32-bit NT system calls to the 64-bit NTDLL.

- WoW64 thunks are implemented for most Unix libraries, enabling a 32-bit PE module to call a 64-bit Unix library. Once the remaining modules are converted to PE, this will make it possible to run 32-bit applications without installing 32-bit Unix libraries.

Re: Wine 7.0

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Post by zureka »

I'm curious to see if this means I'll be able to use Wine again on MacOS post-Catalina (10.15) when Apple removed 32-bit support. I'm still on an Intel-based machine back from 2019 so I'm hoping this means support in the near future when a new version is available on Homebrew.

Then again I might be interpreting the release notes incorrectly and getting my hopes up for nothing.

Re: Wine 7.0

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Post by dTal »

akersten wrote: post #12

I'd like to take a moment to be grateful for the small graces of the current copyright climate that allow projects like this to exist. If the parameters of a few lines of US Code were slightly tweaked, or a few court rulings different, we'd simply not have this amazing feat of interoperability available. It's really an amazing thing that we're able to foster projects like this in the open, and we should be careful to…

Yes, and it makes you wonder what other amazing things we're missing out on, but for some quirk of law or successful lobbying.

Re: Wine 7.0

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Post by jcims »

I just got into astrophotography and Wine has been a blessing to have. There are a lot of tools that are wintel only and being able to just run them without going through the hassle of building a vm has been fantastic.

Re: Wine 7.0

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Post by weaksauce »

dTal wrote: post #73
akersten wrote: post #12

I'd like to take a moment to be grateful for the small graces of the current copyright climate that allow projects like this to exist. If the parameters of a few lines of US Code were slightly tweaked, or a few court rulings different, we'd simply not have this amazing feat of interoperability available. It's really an amazing thing that we're able to foster projects like this in the open, and we should be careful to…

Yes, and it makes you wonder what other amazing things we're missing out on, but for some quirk of law or successful lobbying.

> Yes, and it makes you wonder what other amazing things we're missing out on, but for some quirk of law or successful lobbying.

A few simplified examples from off the top of my head:

pre ww2 most employers didn't provide insurance. during ww2 healthcare was offered as a perk of the job back in the day because wage freezes caused by world war 2 inflation concerns. you can say that because of hitler that it is the way it is now and now there is a huge political donation machinery to prevent single payer health care.(downsides being that if you are rich you can get really good healthcare for less than you'd pay into a single payer system and there are millions of jobs related to the bureaucracy of being in the middle of provider and patient)

china has very lax copyright/patent enforcement and as such places like shenzen's markets where you can find thousands of little electronic bits and pieces and clones are rampant with a very large maker movement. (of course there is a downside to this in that the capitalists don't get to benefit as much on whatever innovation was there originally)

regulatory capture on other industries are also from that lobbying.

Re: Wine 7.0

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Post by bitwize »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #18
tagoregrtst wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the worst would be .doc extensions instead of .docx Other than that, give me WP5.1 baby

IMO, .doc might be the second worst format ever invented (second to PDF). It is a proprietary, binary only format for storing text documents. Who thought that was a good idea?

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Re: Wine 7.0

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Post by yyyk »

HeckFeck wrote: post #3

I recently used Wine to run Office 97 on Debian, just for old time's sake. I ended up liking it so much that I now use it for my word processing and spreadsheet tasks. This classic version is feature complete to me. Wine ensures it lives on, long past its support date and on an alien operating system. And clippit says hello! Screenshot for the curious: https://imgur.com/a/GmVUAfC It shows Word 97 on Linux editing a l…

An interesting question: which Office version is the best assuming one does not want a modern version with the ribbon interface (so 2007+ is out)?

Looking at wikipedia new feature list, most features following 97 aren't very compelling for a single user: "HTML support"? "Collaboration features"? "Customized XML schemas"? Meh.

However, Office XP IMHO has a few minor improvements (minor UI refresh, print preview in PowerPoint, bulleted lists in Word, better password protection in general and docx/xlsx support via the Open XML Compatibility Pack though that's common for every version from Office 2000 to 2003) that make it worthwhile over 97.

Re: Wine 7.0

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Post by Lammy »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #18
tagoregrtst wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the worst would be .doc extensions instead of .docx Other than that, give me WP5.1 baby

IMO, .doc might be the second worst format ever invented (second to PDF). It is a proprietary, binary only format for storing text documents. Who thought that was a good idea?

https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2008/02/19/why-are-the-micros...

Re: Wine 7.0

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Post by mulle_nat »

mulle_nat wrote: post #38

Is it possible to run Corel Painter on Linux with a recent version of Wine ? The database says "Garbage" https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio... , but the versions don't seem up to date...

Well I just tried Painter 11 and the installer hang. Tried Amazon Games and the installer crashed. So I guess I will wait for 8 and try again.

Re: Wine 7.0

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Post by Klonoar »

zureka wrote: post #72

I'm curious to see if this means I'll be able to use Wine again on MacOS post-Catalina (10.15) when Apple removed 32-bit support. I'm still on an Intel-based machine back from 2019 so I'm hoping this means support in the near future when a new version is available on Homebrew. Then again I might be interpreting the release notes incorrectly and getting my hopes up for nothing.

IIRC Crossover handles this already, and there's a version of Wine compiled from the Crossover code floating around.
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