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Ask HN: Why the $200 Overhead on Dell XPS Laptops with Linux?

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Re: Ask HN: Why the $200 Overhead on Dell XPS Laptops with Linux?

#81

Linux might be rare enough that they only make Windows machines and then have someone pull one out of the box put Linux on it if requested.

It’s like why alcohol free beer costs almost same in NZ - because they have to take out alcohol!

Alcohol-free beers have their alcohol removed through vacuum distillation - the only reason it's not more expensive than beer is probably because there is no alcohol taxation on the product.

Re: Ask HN: Why the $200 Overhead on Dell XPS Laptops with Linux?

#82
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The advantage with XPS is not the price, but the premium quality.

In my opinion XPS is about size and to an extent performance, but not better (build) quality. In my experience both the Latitude and Precision series have had fewer hardware issues despite being more prevalent, where only part of the explanation is that XPS-es are used more often by people who also travel more.

I think we have different definitions of build quality. When I said build quality I meant it as a premium Device feel: quality materials, good keyboard and trackpad, looks nice.

From the context it sounds like your definition of build quality is reliability and durability, which I would be surprised to hear their business grade laptops are better at.

Re: Ask HN: Why the $200 Overhead on Dell XPS Laptops with Linux?

#83
Just take advantage of the Windows-environment subsidies. Save yourself a few bucks.

Buy the system with the Windows OS. Back up the OS to a USB thumb drive and store it away carefully. You may need that to reinstall Windows if you want to sell the machine off a year or two later.

Wipe the hard drive completely by installing a new partition table. Install your own favorite Linux distro. Almost invariably, the Linux distro that could come with that machine, is a distro that you wouldn't normally use.

Re: Ask HN: Why the $200 Overhead on Dell XPS Laptops with Linux?

#84
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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Norton 360 installed Folding@home, would you call F@H a "cancer"? No, you wouldn't. The true cancer here is pre-installed antivirus software such as Norton.

In this scenario, would Norton be taking a 15% cut?

Yes, what if they did? In fact what if they resold 100% of the F@H compute power to buyers?

That argument doesn't lead where you want it to go. It's the antivirus companies that are rubbish.

Re: Ask HN: Why the $200 Overhead on Dell XPS Laptops with Linux?

#88
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More than likely, because switching to Linux also drops all the "paid pre-installed windows software" (companies paying Dell to pre-install their software) then this jump in price would give a hint as to how much Dell receives in payment for pre-installing all those windows extras.

I knew a "business development" guy who specialized in these deals. Unless something has changed drastically in this space, Dell isn't going anywhere near $200 plus the cost of a Windows license on every machine they sell. I'm guessing they have higher return rates and higher support calls from people selecting the Linux option who don't fully understand what they're doing. If the Linux option reduced the price, ther…

Another point is the packaging and documentation, got a Linux Server in the mid 2000s came with Red Hat with a lot of nice install disks, support line, etc. Not just the distro dicks in RH's packaging, so that does add to the cost.

I'm sure they might have done a bunch of testing and tweaking to ensure compatibility upon first boot as well.

Though from my standpoint I'd rather know of a distro's quirks with a particular computer than be surprised when I decide to use something different down the line.

Re: Ask HN: Why the $200 Overhead on Dell XPS Laptops with Linux?

#89
My guess is they know Linux loyalists or newbs will just say ok and pay the money. The rest of the users get it with windows and load their own. It's just kind of a stupidity tax, because they can. I doubt it's because they have to any extra cost to their process.

Re: Ask HN: Why the $200 Overhead on Dell XPS Laptops with Linux?

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s like why alcohol free beer costs almost same in NZ - because they have to take out alcohol!

That's why I find the power of ads and marketing truly fearsome. Why buy alcohol free alcoholic beverages?

If you like the taste but don't want the negative parts, or if you don't want alcohol but want to feel "included" ( e.g. muslims, recovering alcoholics or just people who don't like getting "buzzed").
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