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How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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Re: How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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It saddens me that construction quality is almost irrelevant when building a new building nowadays. The profit difference between a well-isolated passive building and one that merely meets the minimal standards, is often very small, so why bother building a passive building? My personal interest in passive buildings generally revolve around maintenance. Passive houses seem to require far less maintenance.

> It saddens me that construction quality is almost irrelevant when building a new building nowadays. Depends on where you live; houses in the Netherlands are built to high standards when it comes to things like insulation, build quality, electrification, etc. Are houses in the US still built with 2x4's and drywall? You'd think they would move to what we have here in the Netherlands, mostly sturdy concrete blocks, in…

> Are houses in the US still built with 2x4's and drywall? You'd think they would move to what we have here in the Netherlands, mostly sturdy concrete blocks

Do you mind explaining why you feel this way? There are definitely benefits to reinforced concrete such as durability and resistance to certain natural elements, but as far as I can tell modern fire-treated wood construction tends to be nearly as safe in fires or superior in earthquakes, has better insulation, and is more ecological during the construction process. Overall, I would prefer reinforced concrete, but it’s more for the “qualitative advantages” as it feels more reassuring to the touch.

Speaking of electrification, one complaint I have of most construction in at least continental Europe is the consistent dearth of electrical outlets in residential settings. Living in Switzerland for years and visiting other countries, it seemed like an extension cord across the bedroom or living room was nearly always needed due to awkward and very limited outlet placement. The fire code in a state like California seems to have much stricter mandates to prevent this sort of thing.

Re: How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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I'm in the middle of building a PassivHaus. The building itself is mostly done and we're working on the interior. There are still a few gaps that haven't been plugged and the heat exchangers have not yet been installed. I'm above 800m elevation, snowstorms every weekend. It's cold here. My house also actually faces West instead of South, so I'm not getting much heat from the sun. This was a surprise to use because th…

I'm looking into making a house sustainable right now and the windows are actually a point of contention. One side thinks super-high insulated (triple pane) windows are a waste of money, the other swears by them. Assuming the frame doesn't leak, does triple really make that much of a difference?

Generaly speaking, yes, BUT the design needs to be taken into account.

A window (good as it might be) is "worse" than walls (besides being much more costly), the modern design trends are for extremely huge windows, that (whilst they give much more light, which expecially in northern climates is a wanted feature) are a problem, from a thermal viewpoint.

The typical size of windows in "normal" houses varies (depending on countries) like 1/8 to 1/12 of area of the floor of the room they are in, modern designs can be often 1/5 or 1/6, it is clear that the less amount of window surface you have the less relevant are its characteristics, and you have to consider also the effect of shutters or similar.

Re: How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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I'm in the UK which has one of the oldest/energy inefficient housing stocks in Europe.

After buying a house built in 1890 I've been made more aware how poor they can be. After replacing the old secondary glazed windows and replacing the old inefficient gas boiler, I'm moving onto replacing the front and back door, and insulating the suspended floor, walls and room in roof. The walls are solid whinstone about 600mm thick which I'd have expected to be a good insulator but in reality they're a thermal bridge.

For generation, I've reserved a spot in Rippleenergy's next co-op turbine [0]. I've been looking into PV/solar thermal/solar battery combinations as well as heat batteries. Sunamp's looks interesting [1] and phase change materials in general. Living in a high latitude (Scotland) the benefit in Winter is more marginal but I'd be happy with simply covering the cost and having peace of mind where the energy came from. PVT panels look interesting if not well-known/scarce.

There's so many parts to the answer it seems like energy advisors could be more of a thing in the same way financial advisors are plentiful.

[0] https://rippleenergy.com/

[1] https://sunamp.com/thermino-thermal-storage-for-domestic-hot...

Re: How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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I watched a report on a block of "passive houses" in Germany and the people liked it, but had a complaint that the air is too dry, so they dried their laundry indoors. I'm a fan of the idea, so not really critical, but I wonder what it's really like to live in one.

Yes, the ventilation system inside a passive house needs not only a heat exchanger, but a humidifier as well. Actually, I'd rather dry my laundry to humidify the room than rely on a humidifier that can grow bacteria and mold inside.

>>than rely on a humidifier that can grow bacteria and mold inside.

There are humidifiers with UV-C lamps inside that sterilize themselves as they run. Dyson makes some, but I've seen them from other brands too.

Re: How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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post #82
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I wish more municipalities would mandate tighter homes with good ventilation. Recently when searching for a new home it was so dishearting to see brand new developments where the homes had standard insulation, bad orientation for things like solar and passive heating and giant fossil fuel based heating systems instead of heat pumps. I decided to instead go the oppostie direction and buy a 1960’s split level that I am…

> with good ventilation Mandate windows?! > heat pumps That means (if I understand you correctly), fans. That is noise pollution - some will not have it, and some will not bear it. And (after experience), heat pumps can be inadequate for heating: they can raise a temperature, not warm the environment.

You're wrong on both counts.

Windows don't make for very good ventilation. They are prone to letting in either too much or too little air, which means you're either wasting a lot of heat, or are not getting enough fresh air. Mechanical ventilation with energy recovery is far superior. Windows, of course, are great for letting in natural light and for creating a sense of spaciousness etc.

Heat pumps don't always need big fans, only air source heat pumps do, and even those can be made to be pretty quiet. Not much louder than a gas furnace.

They definitely can warm an entire house (in fact, they do so on a regular basis in many houses in many parts of the world), even in the coldest of climates. Heating a Passivhaus requires only a tiny unit (except for hot water, but let's ignore that for a minute).

Re: How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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Reminds me of 'Earthship Houses' that are completely off grid, recycle their waste water to grow crops, are built using repurposed car tires and grow their own food. There is a community in New Mexico https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgUkjbMhF18 And even some in Canada https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAvY5JeMz9w&t=62s

Also reminiscent of a Canadian (?) advocate from the late 20th century, can’t remember his name. Actually built a huge passive house with a large internal greenhouse and a small stream for air quality.

Re: How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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TLDR:

point one:

you need insulation _everywhere_, along with some thermal mass to make sure there is some inertia to keep temperature even. This means that putting a jacket around the outside of a brick/cement structure is generally better than putting it inside. You need to insulate under the floor.

External wall insulation is not overly expensive. Its about 50% more expensive than a standard silicon render (in the UK)

Point Two:

Windows and doors are normally the weak spot. Standard double glazing has a U value of about 2. Depending on the coating and the position, they can also let in up to 2kw/m2 of heat through solar gain.

You need ideally coated triple glazing, which if paired with the correct frames has a U value of about 0.8-1.1 The coating is to reflect solar gain. You will need sun shading so that in winter the sun comes streaming in, but in summer its shaded out by the small shades.

In the UK its possible to get triple glazing at about the same price as double. For us, the big companies quoted >15k for shitty double glazing, local company was ~10k, eventual installation price was 8k for triple. This included custom arched door/window, and a french door.

Re: How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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post #82
post #15

I wish more municipalities would mandate tighter homes with good ventilation. Recently when searching for a new home it was so dishearting to see brand new developments where the homes had standard insulation, bad orientation for things like solar and passive heating and giant fossil fuel based heating systems instead of heat pumps. I decided to instead go the oppostie direction and buy a 1960’s split level that I am…

> with good ventilation Mandate windows?! > heat pumps That means (if I understand you correctly), fans. That is noise pollution - some will not have it, and some will not bear it. And (after experience), heat pumps can be inadequate for heating: they can raise a temperature, not warm the environment.

A well insulated house needs some sort of mechanical ventilationm otherwise you will have problems with humidity and - in worst cases - mould.

The ventilating units are usually placed in the basement and are not noisy (but need some maintenance and cleaning).

There are heat pumps that simply heat water and are suitable for underfloor heating, no fans.

Underfloor heating is usually "slower" (compared to air heating) but works just fine, actually better.

Re: How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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While this is at the extreme end of the spectrum, there is a much easier way to save lots of energy: just build modern well-insulated homes.

I lived in California and I was appalled at the monstrous energy waste: houses are generally made pretty much from cardboard. You need to cool them in summertime and heat them in wintertime, and the energy expenditure is enormous.

I now live in Poland and have recently built small homes that are similar in structure to the ones in CA: wooden frame, drywall inside. But the ones here have walls that are 25cm thick because of insulation (mineral wool) and use advanced modern membranes as well. Together, these things do wonders, and maintaining warmth in wintertime using a heat pump (AC) is easy and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

In other words, you can get 80% of the benefits with 20% of the effort — just design thicker walls with insulation and use modern materials.

Re: How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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I'm kind of curious what weather range they are talking about. As someone from Canada, i somehow don't think this would work over here in the -40 winter.

Canada was actually one of the early study and proving grounds for passive houses, due to the oil shock (look up the Saskatchewan Conservation House).

Sadly much like most other such actions, they were quickly discarded once the shock receded, but the german Passivhaus Institut was actually founded on the basis of that study and model house.

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