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US claims jurisdiction over all .com/.net sites even if outside the US (2011)

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Re: US claims jurisdiction over all .com/.net sites even if outside the US (2011)

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Which it is, surely? Don't get me wrong, sites like it are on my most-visited list on every device, but they are for pirating papers, no?

If you consider articles and research that the public paid for and suddenly don't have access to, to be piracy, then sure. To be clear, people have given their life for this cause.

So have some people who campaign for the Pirate Party in various countries. It's not necessarily even a pejorative.

Re: US claims jurisdiction over all .com/.net sites even if outside the US (2011)

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Which it is, surely? Don't get me wrong, sites like it are on my most-visited list on every device, but they are for pirating papers, no?

If you consider articles and research that the public paid for and suddenly don't have access to, to be piracy, then sure. To be clear, people have given their life for this cause.

It's not all publicly funded, to be clear. Lots and lots of finance stuff is written by people in industry for example.

It's a gift to mankind but it is still technically illegal (which I would vote to change every single second of the day, but still).

Re: US claims jurisdiction over all .com/.net sites even if outside the US (2011)

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In more recent news, this tech https://handshake.org/ is aimed at this kind of jurisdictional issue. Limiting the reach of a US court or any other central org for that matter at shutting down a domain .com, .net or other.

Handshake is awful. Because they decided to allow anyone to register a TLD there's no way to determine if a name needs to be resolved with handshake other than trying to resolve it.

There was a time when some used /etc/hosts whilst others used DNS. It was definitely a different time. Resolution issues with Handshake TLDs will easily be solved in time.

There are, however, other reasons why one might think Handshake isn't up to par just yet. Those reasons might be, for example, even though it completes the internet, making it significantly more secure and sovereign, the current implementations including DANE aren't as fast. Of course, this too [1] will be addressed with time.

There are highly technical people working on these problems with a heavy lean on making sure the experience is comparable if not better than today's expected experience. I think things will only get better from here.

[1] https://github.com/handshake-org/HIPs/discussions/44

Re: US claims jurisdiction over all .com/.net sites even if outside the US (2011)

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In more recent news, this tech https://handshake.org/ is aimed at this kind of jurisdictional issue. Limiting the reach of a US court or any other central org for that matter at shutting down a domain .com, .net or other.

yet another alternate root DNS that has maybe 0.001% of install base on the global scale of client devices with browsers?

yeah okay

seen it for 20 years now...

Re: US claims jurisdiction over all .com/.net sites even if outside the US (2011)

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If you consider articles and research that the public paid for and suddenly don't have access to, to be piracy, then sure. To be clear, people have given their life for this cause.

It's not all publicly funded, to be clear. Lots and lots of finance stuff is written by people in industry for example. It's a gift to mankind but it is still technically illegal (which I would vote to change every single second of the day, but still).

It could be illegal in the US, but not in all the jurisdictions where they overstepped their bounds.

Re: US claims jurisdiction over all .com/.net sites even if outside the US (2011)

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Which it is, surely? Don't get me wrong, sites like it are on my most-visited list on every device, but they are for pirating papers, no?

If you consider articles and research that the public paid for and suddenly don't have access to, to be piracy, then sure. To be clear, people have given their life for this cause.

I feel like you're trying to argue that piracy is ethical, which is different than something not being piracy.

Re: US claims jurisdiction over all .com/.net sites even if outside the US (2011)

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In more recent news, this tech https://handshake.org/ is aimed at this kind of jurisdictional issue. Limiting the reach of a US court or any other central org for that matter at shutting down a domain .com, .net or other.

Handshake is awful. Because they decided to allow anyone to register a TLD there's no way to determine if a name needs to be resolved with handshake other than trying to resolve it.

Interesting, I had no idea they were letting anyone register data, I had initially thought the idea was for registrars to provide nodes & data to eventually phase out the current DNS architecture, ensuring no single TLD org could wipe out a domain.

The Handshake design still seems like a step in the right direction, but even with sound data, it's probably years away (if ever) for DNS resolution to "flip the switch" to use this kind of architecture.

Re: US claims jurisdiction over all .com/.net sites even if outside the US (2011)

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If you consider articles and research that the public paid for and suddenly don't have access to, to be piracy, then sure. To be clear, people have given their life for this cause.

I feel like you're trying to argue that piracy is ethical, which is different than something not being piracy.

I think it's possible it could be considered piracy in the US, but not all countries follow these same rules nor schools of thought.

The issue is that the jurisdiction bleeds into others' jurisdictions that might have different rules on these types of things, but the US doesn't really care since it has absolute power and exercises its authority over those outside of its jurisdiction.

Re: US claims jurisdiction over all .com/.net sites even if outside the US (2011)

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In more recent news, this tech https://handshake.org/ is aimed at this kind of jurisdictional issue. Limiting the reach of a US court or any other central org for that matter at shutting down a domain .com, .net or other.

The only way an alternate TLD registrar will ever take off is if you get the people who own the current root servers on board. And the only way that will happen is if you figure out how they can make money from owning and operating the root servers.

My guess is that if you create a blockchain for registering DNS, and only the current registrars can issue coins on said blockchain, you might have a solution they would be willing to implement. You'd still have to pay them money to register a new domain or maintain it, but once you had the coin, you could register whatever you wanted and no government could stop you.

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