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Faker.js is now a community controlled project

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Re: Faker.js is now a community controlled project

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Post by junon »

Waterluvian wrote: post #289
junon wrote: post #248

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I don't think I've seen a single person struggle with this concept. This isn't a "lesson" anyone needs learning, including Marak.

It absolutely is if you’ve read all the comments about this saga. So many people completely shocked that MS will unilaterally take access away for something they claim to be the right of the author. “He can do whatever he wants. Users should just not download it.” Well, Microsoft can do whatever they want. And they did.

They were investigating a potentially compromised account.

Re: Faker.js is now a community controlled project

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Post by syshum »

DonHopkins wrote: post #182
syshum wrote: post #78

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What you are going to get is people separating out into 2 camps, those that believe in individuality, and those that believe in more collectivism. This is a divide that extends well beyond programming and this topic. People that support GitHub actions believe in the concept of "greater good" and believe the actions of GitHub are ethical because it prevented harm to the community People that oppose GitHub actions reje…

Yeah, but most vocal proponents of so-called "individuality" are simply self-centered anti-social assholes who haven't thought through the Libertarian ideologies they parrot deeply enough to realize how extremely dependent on and beneficial from collectivism they actually are, and they continue bitching about "socialism" while sucking the government's tit with their social security and disability benefits and medicar…

>>trucks while "rolling goal"

If you are going to insult people at least get the terminology correct, it is rolling coal, not goal.

Further most people rolling coal are not libertarian.

>>d "individuality" are simply self-centered anti-social assholes who haven't thought through the Libertarian ideologies they parrot deeply enough to realize how extremely dependent on and beneficial from collectivism they actually are

Incorrect, Libertarians / Individualists do not reject the concept of society or working in groups to accomplish a goal. However they believe said interactions should be VOLUNTARY, and not forced upon you by 3rd party actors.

>>against Obamacare for no better reason than the person THEY renamed the ACA after is black,

Ohh yes, the only possible reasons someone could oppose ACA is because of racism.

Re: Faker.js is now a community controlled project

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #11
throwawayay02 wrote: post #6

You can spin it however you like, but renaming the real one "fakerjs-legacy" and appropriating all sponsors is a scumbag move.

The terms of the funding are attached to the project, not a specific maintainer: > During the conversation with Ben, he went over the terms and conditions of the Open Collective with me. > Ben said that simply, "The funding is attached to the project, not the current maintainer." None of Marak's personal GitHub sponsors were changed (obviously). To be clear: Marak deleted the original project as part of his protest.…

This is a bullshit excuse. People don't decide to sponsor a project in a vacuum. They look at the project, its history, and the circumstances of its creation. The project is free to begin with, so what is there to sponsor in the first place?

If I make a donation to a charity which I trust, and some third party simply takes the money and hands it over to some other charity instead, claiming that it doesn't matter because the goal is the same, I'd be rightfully outraged. How is this different?

Re: Faker.js is now a community controlled project

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

pawelmurias wrote: post #9
throwawayay02 wrote: post #6

You can spin it however you like, but renaming the real one "fakerjs-legacy" and appropriating all sponsors is a scumbag move.

I assume nobody in their right would sponsor the orginal author who instead of maintaining the project distributes malware and builds bombs.

It is up to them to cancel their sponsorship. At most I'd go along with cancelling all sponsorships, but even that would be a huge asshole-move. This is outright theft.

Re: Faker.js is now a community controlled project

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Post by EMM_386 »

Gigachad wrote: post #276
EMM_386 wrote: post #269

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> I don't think what he did was particularly good but I think he was entitled to do it. And the blame falls on the system we have which relies on random people to do work for free with no contract or obligation. Utter nonsense. You don't put out code under open-source MIT and then want to take it back when you realize other people are using it exactly as you instructed them to use it , which in this case is "anyway t…

The MIT license doesn't prevent you from doing this. If someone cloned the repo, they could continue doing whatever they wanted with it, but the owner is entitled to put up whatever new code they want on their repo.

This is technically true. If he wants to act like spoiled brat and put malware in his own code, he can under MIT (he can do whatever he wants, just like anyone else can do with it).

Re: Faker.js is now a community controlled project

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

Here's a hot take: By sabotaging the project, the author has quite clearly expressed that they do not want people to be using their software anymore, even though, legally speaking, the license allows them to do so.

Anybody who continues using this new fork should therefore never again complain about evil corporations making money from FOSS and not giving back just because they're legally allowed to. This is the exact same thing.

Re: Faker.js is now a community controlled project

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

shadowgovt wrote: post #45
throwawayay02 wrote: post #18

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Then how do you know they don't support automatic hassle-free transfer of the sponsorship?

This isn't either or.

If one single sponsor does not agree with their sponsorship being transferred, then that is THEFT. There's just no way of excusing that.

On the other hand, even if an overwhelming majority were okay with sponsoring the fork instead, cancelling their sponsorship and emailing them about the reason and how they can sponsor the new project (or continue sponsoring the old one, if for whatever reason they'd want that), then that's a minor inconvenience.

Is it really such a hot take that erring on the side of minor inconvenience is better than accepting outright theft based solely on the perception that most™ users will be okay with it?

Re: Faker.js is now a community controlled project

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

Waterluvian wrote: post #147

You aren’t in control on a platform that isn’t yours. You don’t have rights. If you want to behave like a child, Microsoft may very well just take the keys away from you.

And that's why we should all get a cheap-ass server somewhere and install gitea on it. If any project ever makes it big, migrate there and treat github as a read-only mirror. Also never accept money over github. Just use paypal or some cryptocurrency if you have trust in those.

Re: Faker.js is now a community controlled project

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Post by shadowgovt »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #226
shadowgovt wrote: post #204

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Funny how well that has worked until one person comes along and uses it to break people's software intentionally. At the very least, Marak is an example of why we can't have nice things. None of us are obligated to applaud him for that.

If someone hands out free food on the corner with a sign that says you aren't entitled to it and so you get used to getting free food there. In fact, you've found ways to save on your budget because of it. You also optimized your route home from work to get there at the most convenient time. One day, you show up and they have a sign up that says... No more free food, vote for Bernie. Are you really the type to compla…

It's software, not consumable carbohydrates. Easily copied infinitely once created. Nobody is arguing he doesn't have to stop making it. Nobody is even arguing he doesn't have the right to delete his tepos. What he did was intentionally poison the templates to trigger automated updates to break other people's software, and that's just not okay. Forget the machines... It's simply misanthropic behavior.
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