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Why are air combat kills so rare? (2017)

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Re: Why are air combat kills so rare? (2017)

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Because you're trying to shoot something flying at 500 miles an hour, piloted by a tiny lunatic who actually thought this sort of thing was a good career move and is probably on military-issued meth, with a projectile the size of your thumb, while also being the exact same sort of lunatic? :-D

They used to do that, but now they issue modafinil I believe. Much safer.

Re: Why are air combat kills so rare? (2017)

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> probably on military-issued meth The US military issues meth? Source?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drugs_used_by_milita... Cousin of meth.

Iirc comparing modafinil and meth is like comparing budweiser and everclear.

Re: Why are air combat kills so rare? (2017)

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post #3

Because you're trying to shoot something flying at 500 miles an hour, piloted by a tiny lunatic who actually thought this sort of thing was a good career move and is probably on military-issued meth, with a projectile the size of your thumb, while also being the exact same sort of lunatic? :-D

But if your missiles are effective enough, they take care of the bit about finding and hitting the target for you. The article explains it as enemy forces not having anyone loony enough to think actually getting within range is going to advance their career. I blame Joseph Heller.

Well concern for one's safety in the face of dangers that are real and immediate is the process of a rational mind.

Re: Why are air combat kills so rare? (2017)

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post #3

Because you're trying to shoot something flying at 500 miles an hour, piloted by a tiny lunatic who actually thought this sort of thing was a good career move and is probably on military-issued meth, with a projectile the size of your thumb, while also being the exact same sort of lunatic? :-D

> probably on military-issued meth The US military issues meth? Source?

No but it is common knowledge amongst pilots that Dexedrine is for shizzle...

Re: Why are air combat kills so rare? (2017)

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post #22
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drugs_used_by_milita... Cousin of meth.

Iirc comparing modafinil and meth is like comparing budweiser and everclear.

So basically the same drug at different douses?

Re: Why are air combat kills so rare? (2017)

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> probably on military-issued meth The US military issues meth? Source?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drugs_used_by_milita... Cousin of meth.

This is very strange to me considering that Adderall was a disqualifying factor when I joined the service. Very interesting, I had no idea this was used today.

Appears that Amphetamine is no longer used but Modafinil is not even close to being "meth"

> Modafinil is not considered to be a classical psychostimulant, but rather is classified as a eugeroic (wakefulness-promoting drug) and is used primarily for treatment of narcolepsy, shift work sleep disorder, and excessive daytime sleepiness associated with obstructive sleep apnea.

Re: Why are air combat kills so rare? (2017)

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Re: Why are air combat kills so rare? (2017)

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post #22
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drugs_used_by_milita... Cousin of meth.

Iirc comparing modafinil and meth is like comparing budweiser and everclear.

It included Dexedrine and other amphetamines up until a few years ago, which might be what OP was thinking of.

Re: Why are air combat kills so rare? (2017)

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TLDR: Because SAMs have gotten so good at their jobs, air forces don't even bother.

The article talks entirely about air-to-air combat and the imbalance caused by the superior beyond-visual-engagement capabilities of major air powers.

It says nothing about surface-to-air missiles.

Re: Why are air combat kills so rare? (2017)

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post #3

Because you're trying to shoot something flying at 500 miles an hour, piloted by a tiny lunatic who actually thought this sort of thing was a good career move and is probably on military-issued meth, with a projectile the size of your thumb, while also being the exact same sort of lunatic? :-D

But if your missiles are effective enough, they take care of the bit about finding and hitting the target for you. The article explains it as enemy forces not having anyone loony enough to think actually getting within range is going to advance their career. I blame Joseph Heller.

The issue with the missiles is that the other side also has them, and is quite keen to use theirs without being hit by yours. Combatants have a way of learning to neutralize each other’s advantages, and claims of weapon system capabilities are almost always overstated.
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