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Getting Started with Lockpicking

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Re: Getting Started with Lockpicking

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

hvidgaard wrote: post #9
Animats wrote: post #2

It's entertaining watching the Lock Picking Lawyer's videos. He's very good. And far too many locks are embarrassingly bad. Lockpicking ought to be exponentially hard. You should have to try all the pin position combinations. Something like 5^6 for a 6-pin cylinder. But is in practice, it's not much worse than linear. You can tell when you're making forward progress. That's considered a total fail in a cryptographic…

For the majority of applications, locks are for "keeping honest people honest". With the right tools most locks take seconds to circumvent, think breaking a window, cutting the steel, drilling out the lock. For situations where it actually matters, professionals know to secure elsewhere before the actual lock is considered.

I mean, ideally you have a breaking break-in so that you have evidence for the insurance that you have, in fact, been broken into. Best to have a lock that is easier to break than to pick IMO. But yeah, the base premise is that it should avoid crimes of opportunity. Like the steel cables to lock laptops and screens to tables; they won't stand up for a pair of sturdy snips, but they can't be snatched up quickly.

Re: Getting Started with Lockpicking

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

123pie123 wrote: post #8

for those people in the UK, snapping the lock is suposedly the most common way of burglars getting through doors. This involves (as the name implies) just twisting the lock if it sticks out or using a blow tourch to melt the handle or just snapping the handle off, to a get purchase on the lock see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBqHryHXSj8 btw LockpickingLawer did a review of imho of one of the better locks to prote…

I mean, while traumatizing and probably not covering the cost of stolen goods, at least there'll be enough evidence for the insurance to cough up.

Re: Getting Started with Lockpicking

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Post by Pinegulf »

Animats wrote: post #2

It's entertaining watching the Lock Picking Lawyer's videos. He's very good. And far too many locks are embarrassingly bad. Lockpicking ought to be exponentially hard. You should have to try all the pin position combinations. Something like 5^6 for a 6-pin cylinder. But is in practice, it's not much worse than linear. You can tell when you're making forward progress. That's considered a total fail in a cryptographic…

I'm no lockpicker, but fan of the LPL. To me very simple solution would be to have 2x keys requiring to be turned simultaneously. Since picking requires tension and probing no human should be able to pick two spots at the same time.

Then again, as noob I suspect there may be very simple reason why this isn't implemented.

Re: Getting Started with Lockpicking

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

Animats wrote: post #2

It's entertaining watching the Lock Picking Lawyer's videos. He's very good. And far too many locks are embarrassingly bad. Lockpicking ought to be exponentially hard. You should have to try all the pin position combinations. Something like 5^6 for a 6-pin cylinder. But is in practice, it's not much worse than linear. You can tell when you're making forward progress. That's considered a total fail in a cryptographic…

I mean... the alternative is to just drill/break the lock, or break down the door. The only added benefit to lockpicking is, that it's harder for the owner to notice that the lock was picked/door opened, but if your plan is to steal an xbox, there are much easier and more efficient (...and destructive) way to do it.

Re: Getting Started with Lockpicking

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Post by Gigachad »

Animats wrote: post #2

It's entertaining watching the Lock Picking Lawyer's videos. He's very good. And far too many locks are embarrassingly bad. Lockpicking ought to be exponentially hard. You should have to try all the pin position combinations. Something like 5^6 for a 6-pin cylinder. But is in practice, it's not much worse than linear. You can tell when you're making forward progress. That's considered a total fail in a cryptographic…

There is no point making a lock more secure. No one actually picks locks other than for fun. They just cut them or hit them with a hammer. That custom design lock shows a lot about why we don’t have ultra secure locks as it takes an insane design with huge numbers of moving parts which aren’t so reliable and extremely expensive to produce.

Re: Getting Started with Lockpicking

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Post by Gigachad »

Pinegulf wrote: post #15
Animats wrote: post #2

It's entertaining watching the Lock Picking Lawyer's videos. He's very good. And far too many locks are embarrassingly bad. Lockpicking ought to be exponentially hard. You should have to try all the pin position combinations. Something like 5^6 for a 6-pin cylinder. But is in practice, it's not much worse than linear. You can tell when you're making forward progress. That's considered a total fail in a cryptographic…

I'm no lockpicker, but fan of the LPL. To me very simple solution would be to have 2x keys requiring to be turned simultaneously. Since picking requires tension and probing no human should be able to pick two spots at the same time. Then again, as noob I suspect there may be very simple reason why this isn't implemented.

LPL had a lock like that and he still managed to pick it.

Re: Getting Started with Lockpicking

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Pinegulf wrote: post #15
Animats wrote: post #2

It's entertaining watching the Lock Picking Lawyer's videos. He's very good. And far too many locks are embarrassingly bad. Lockpicking ought to be exponentially hard. You should have to try all the pin position combinations. Something like 5^6 for a 6-pin cylinder. But is in practice, it's not much worse than linear. You can tell when you're making forward progress. That's considered a total fail in a cryptographic…

I'm no lockpicker, but fan of the LPL. To me very simple solution would be to have 2x keys requiring to be turned simultaneously. Since picking requires tension and probing no human should be able to pick two spots at the same time. Then again, as noob I suspect there may be very simple reason why this isn't implemented.

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