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BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen

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Re: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen

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Post by MattPalmer1086 »

Freskis wrote: post #40
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #35

I’m not sure how much cut through this has had outside of the UK, but the government are currently in serious trouble because of constant leaks about parties in Number 10 Downing Street during the pandemic - including a particularly poorly timed one the day before the Queen was photographed at her husband’s funeral alone. The leaks are ongoing, so we know that this particular plan is part of “Operation Red Meat”, whi…

Your comment does't make any sense. You are saying that the Conservative party are making this huge change to distract from their current problems. Are you saying they created the entire plan in a few weeks? Do you have any evidence for your extraordinary claims?

Plan?

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Post by simonblack »

Britain is following the Australian Government model of reducing funding for the national broadcast commission.

There is no mention in the article, but in Australia at least the funding to the ABC and SBS networks was reduced because of heavy lobbying by the Murdoch Media in order to reduce competition to their Foxtel cable/satellite TV media.

Murdoch is powerful in Britain too. I would not be at all surprised to discover that there has been 'behind the scenes' pressure on the Government from Murdoch to phase out the BBC also.

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Post by phatfish »

mschuster91 wrote: post #89
ssddanbrown wrote: post #9

I like much of what the BBC do and produce, especially BBC news, but the licence fee has always felt like a relic from the past with a bad strategy of enforcement (With their threatening letters and misguiding terminology as to when a license is required). Their actual broadcast service is lacking in some areas too. On BBC One HD I still get a blank place-holder screen for local news, advising to switch to the non-HD…

> I hope the BBC continues to survive, just with a more modern funding approach Difficult. There are not many ways to fund a public TV/radio program, and all of the non-per-household-license free-OTA variants have issues: - anything tax-based is just asking for trouble aka a populist government extorting the public stations after critical coverage - ad-funded... well that's just ordinary private TV, with the threat h…

Channel 4 seems to work well. Publicly owned but not publicly funded (taxation, license fee, etc).

The corporation created which runs it has certain conditions placed on it to create programs in the interest of the general public that may not get created by a private corporation looking to only make profits for shareholders.

Of course the current UK government wants to sell it off...

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Post by dankboys »

btdmaster wrote: post #155
dankboys wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this is the case, why did the BBC vote 5 to 1 in favour of Remain[1], despite the Conservative party being down the middle on Brexit. 75% of comedians are explicitly left wing [2] Anecdotally, the sidebar of BBC News UK edition is littered with articles attempting to argue that any inequality between sex or race of people in a unvaried analysis is indicative of system X-ism. Very rarely do people leave the BBC and…

The first paper[1] comes from authors of News-Watch[2], which from the website seems to have a clear agenda against the BBC. This is at least mildly ironic. [1] https://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/brusselsbroadcastin... [2] https://news-watch.co.uk I could not find the source (and methodology) used for the second article.

I don’t really know what to say, except that a pressure group might do studies on the topics it cares about?

Consider this: until 2020, for many years (at least 8) the Guardian was the most purchased paper by the BBC[1]

[1] https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/14/bbc-gu...

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Post by dankboys »

M2Ys4U wrote: post #205
dankboys wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this is the case, why did the BBC vote 5 to 1 in favour of Remain[1], despite the Conservative party being down the middle on Brexit. 75% of comedians are explicitly left wing [2] Anecdotally, the sidebar of BBC News UK edition is littered with articles attempting to argue that any inequality between sex or race of people in a unvaried analysis is indicative of system X-ism. Very rarely do people leave the BBC and…

>If this is the case, why did the BBC vote 5 to 1 in favour of Remain[1] The Express should be considered more of a fiction publication than a reliable newspaper. It's notorious for making stuff up, especially when it comes to Brexit.

Why not engage with the study instead? Sorry it’s not a link to The New European

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Post by brigandish »

LatteLazy wrote: post #196
brigandish wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been to a fair few places around the world, some experiencing levels of poverty, corruption and violence that should make any human weep. To compare the UK to those, while using the terms "Brexit" and "Prime Minister Boris" is absurd and hyperbolic, if not disrespectful to both the UK and those people in the places I mentioned.

Yes, we should wait until it's happened and then try to stop it from happening.

> failed state > noun > a state whose political or economic system has become so weak that the government is no longer in control: if we turn our back on the developing world we will see more failed states.

This is not the UK based on Brexit or Boris Johnson or anything that entails from them.

Will the UK still be in the G8 after Boris Johnson is no longer prime minister? Yes.

- Will the UK still be in the G8 long after Boris Johnson is no longer prime minister? Yes.

- Will the UK still be in the G8 after Brexit? Yes, it is.

- Will the UK still be in the G8 long after Brexit? Yes.

I also think you could change those questions to their opposites in an alternate reality, i.e. Jeremy Corbyn and staying in the EU, which is probably why I find your view to be overwrought. There are plenty of states outside of the EU that are in the G8, and though I don't agree with much of what Johnson has done, the likelihood it will transform the UK into a failed state is utterly absurd to me, and clearly, to any majority that counts, whether it is UK voters, those who put money into the UK, and every other nation state.

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Post by dazc »

nerdawson wrote: post #75
dazc wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ITV also make short drama series which are often better, in my opinion, and manage to do this without threatening to send people to jail for not contributing financially. You can subscribe for £3.99 to have an almost ad-free experience too. I doubt the BBC could compete at this level as a subscription only service in its current state though? Worth noting also, the prevelance of BBC ads for its own content which have…

BBC and ITV shared coverage of the Euros last year and their streaming offerings couldn’t have been more different. The BBC were airing matches in 4K HDR and their service ran without a hitch. ITV, on the other hand, a private company, had a site which crumbled under load. When it did eventually work, it was so poor as to be laughable. It probably wouldn’t even be considered HD and the frame rate couldn’t keep up. It…

I agree that ITV is far behind technically but maybe this is because they are a commercial entity and have to justify the cost/return ratio whereas the BBC do not?

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Post by drcongo »

M2Ys4U wrote: post #203
t6667877789789 wrote: post #120

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Boris is finished, he probably won't last the week. It reminds me of the day when Thatcher fell. Leading Conservative MPs will be currently phoning each other trying to determine how much support they will get if they make a move. Someone who has no serious chance will be nominated as a 'stalking horse' to stand up and challenge Boris. Then the other stronger candidates will put themselves forward to 'save the name o…

>Someone who has no serious chance will be nominated as a 'stalking horse' to stand up and challenge Boris. Then the other stronger candidates will put themselves forward to 'save the name of the party'. That is how they do it. There doesn't need to be a stalking horse any more. Once 54 letters have been submitted to the 1922 Committee then a Vote of No Confidence is held amongst Tory MPs by secret ballot. If he lose…

We do still seem to get the stalking horse candidate, possibly just for tradition's sake. See Rory Stewart.

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Post by drcongo »

dankboys wrote: post #173
user-the-name wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Because they have not had enough time to try to change it yet. But it is happening: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/the-mash-report-axed-bbc-...

The Mash Report is the perfect example: a TV show that was significantly[1] (20%) less popular than shows in that time slot but approved because it sent the correct message [1] https://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2017/07/21/37117/sluggish_rat...

And got axed.
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