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Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by kqr »

fatnoah wrote: post #471
albert_e wrote: post #325

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so .. tamper-evident but not tamper-proof?

Correct. I think the main reason is that this "security" is geared more around Customs & Border enforcement than anything else.

It helps with customs, but it's a big deal for private businesses too. Before containers, you effectively had to have one trusted person's eyes on the cargo at all time -- and still people along the way lightened the load as they handled the stuff. It was almost considered part of the compensation for a longshoreman.

With tamper-evident containers, you have a trusted person watch the container being loaded and locked, and then a trusted person watch as its unloaded at its final destination, and you don't have to care what happens at every point in between.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by fatnoah »

kqr wrote: post #631
fatnoah wrote: post #471

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct. I think the main reason is that this "security" is geared more around Customs & Border enforcement than anything else.

It helps with customs, but it's a big deal for private businesses too. Before containers, you effectively had to have one trusted person's eyes on the cargo at all time -- and still people along the way lightened the load as they handled the stuff. It was almost considered part of the compensation for a longshoreman. With tamper-evident containers, you have a trusted person watch the container being loaded and locked…

Makes sense. 99% of what I know about container shipping comes from the movie Contraband and Season 2 of The Wire. ;)

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by Gigachad »

panarky wrote: post #629
meatsauce wrote: post #609

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So? We have many criminals. Criminals deserve punishment, including jail should the crime be severe enough. Criminals prey on law abiding citizens. If you won't enforce the law, citizens will take the law into the their own hands. Then you will be forced to cry for criminals even more than you are doing now.

Imprisoning people is treating the symptom, not the cause. If you don't treat the cause, then you'll just continue getting more symptoms. Maybe we should figure out what it is about the USA that keeps generating so much more antisocial behavior than everywhere else and fix that.

Seems like the problem in the US is there are pockets of society which have multi generational issues where the parents don’t know how to teach their kids to be successful since their lives have been a failure too. As well as an environment that normalises crime.

It seems extremely difficult to break this cycle without actually removing kids from their parents/friend groups.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by mitchdoogle »

mrhands556 wrote: post #574
rjbwork wrote: post #502

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In no particular order: The rich are getting richer faster than the rest of us. Real wages are stagnant. Social safety nets are constantly being removed. Labor protections have been being rolled back or enforcement lax since the ATC strike. Atomization and alienation have taken root. The mythos of the nuclear family being paramount is fully embedded in the culture, destroying the older concept of a broader family and…

Most places are weak on crime. We have a judge in Minneapolis over the last week: 1. Some guy chased a woman in his car and she ran to a fire station. He crashed into the fire station and fought firefighters. Released 0 bail. 2. Violent criminal with a long past let out of jail to attend funeral and hasn’t returned. This is just the tip of the iceberg. We have constant 0 bail for young carjackers who steal peoples ca…

"I don’t care what anyone says about..."

I can see you're enraged.

There's the real problem about everything - making judgments and decisions about the world based on emotions, not facts. You should care what other people say, especially the people who study things scientifically. I'm sure it sounds great and judicious to your enraged lizard brain to lock someone up and throw away the key, but there's a lot more to consider than what makes you feel good.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by paulryanrogers »

Gigachad wrote: post #633
panarky wrote: post #629

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imprisoning people is treating the symptom, not the cause. If you don't treat the cause, then you'll just continue getting more symptoms. Maybe we should figure out what it is about the USA that keeps generating so much more antisocial behavior than everywhere else and fix that.

Seems like the problem in the US is there are pockets of society which have multi generational issues where the parents don’t know how to teach their kids to be successful since their lives have been a failure too. As well as an environment that normalises crime. It seems extremely difficult to break this cycle without actually removing kids from their parents/friend groups.

Another complicating factor could be that the US has a more diverse population. Tribalism is hard to overcome, especially with a messy history of racism and oppression.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by eurasiantiger »

swearwolf wrote: post #604
panarky wrote: post #589

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> zero consequences California's incarceration rate is already double or triple that of Canada, Japan or Western Europe.

Because of mandatory minimum sentences keeping people in jail for a long time. Just because that’s a bad policy doesn’t necessarily mean that sending people to jail at all is a bad idea.

Do you somehow think that creating a containment system works in solving crime? It alienates and breeds recidivism. We can’t lock everyone up for life.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by scollet »

oh_sigh wrote: post #448
scollet wrote: post #260

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Yeah, we have public police in front of our stores instead.

We do? I mean...you may see police in front of a store if their beat takes them by it, or you might see a centralized kiosk with a cop in it at a mall or something, but you don't really see security in front of every store like you do in many parts of Europe. Maybe that will change, at least in LA if smash and grabs become popularized

Anecdotally, but this is a metro thing. I've sampled 3 cities and these are big box grocers in... less affluent... high-traffic neighborhoods.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by scollet »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #291
scollet wrote: post #267

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Are they stealing because they're criminals or are they criminals because they're stealing?

Only the criminal can answer that, I suppose. Has it occurred to anyone to ask?

I think the answer is in the action.

It's easier for techy types to gaff at the risk of highway robbery for a good reason.

Tech seeks to alleviate human labor via automation or semi-automation.

I think people are trying to take the same shortcuts to reduce the friction of human labor. Thievery is a foundational American ideal, romanticized in some sense.

The question most US citizens have been asking is "when do I get mine?".

I think they're finding their own answers.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

subsubzero wrote: post #532
rjbwork wrote: post #502

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In no particular order: The rich are getting richer faster than the rest of us. Real wages are stagnant. Social safety nets are constantly being removed. Labor protections have been being rolled back or enforcement lax since the ATC strike. Atomization and alienation have taken root. The mythos of the nuclear family being paramount is fully embedded in the culture, destroying the older concept of a broader family and…

I think some of these things ring true but you missed a few obvious ones, most of this stuff has been going on in California which is being governed into oblivion by its leaders: - California is getting very soft on crime recently, people now realize they can rob and steal what they want and there are zero consequences for it, this has lead to almost a complete collapse of order in most major california cities(see ex…

>- Housing and rent are at all time highs due to excessive money printing and over generous govt. handouts the past 1-2 years.

Actually, I think they're at all-time highs because you literally refuse to build anything except suburban hellscapes full of single-family houses made of ticky-tacky that all look just the same. I'm serious about this. California's recently-passed upzoning law is the only effective policy intervention for housing I've seen from your state in decades.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by onepointsixC »

threatofrain wrote: post #51
throwawaysea wrote: post #16

Soft on crime policies like restorative justice simply attract crime. No consequences means no deterrent. It’s not surprising this happens in LA - George Gascon is the DA and he’s facing increasing support for his recall ( https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/liberal-beverly-hill... ).

This is not LAPD responsibility, and the HQ of the responsible force is in Omaha Nebraska.

If it isn't LA's responsibility why is Union Pacific asking LA's DA to stop releasing suspects who were arrested for theft? [1]

[1]:https://twitter.com/CBSLAKristine/status/1482115852216385538...

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