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Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together
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Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together
#222Oh you US people, I get internal server error when I try to activate account which contains ä character in the full name field... And when trying to change my name from the account page: Display Name can only contain letters, numbers, spaces, or the following characters: -_'.@+ Does this affect the Google account login also, it doesn't work for me either.
Python sucks at unicode, maybe they used python, not sure though.
Off topic: Proper, consistent and through UTF-8 support is one of the various reasons I'm starting to prefer Go to Pytho. It is sad that Python 3 didn't take the opportunity to properly fix this.
Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together
#223Oh you US people, I get internal server error when I try to activate account which contains ä character in the full name field... And when trying to change my name from the account page: Display Name can only contain letters, numbers, spaces, or the following characters: -_'.@+ Does this affect the Google account login also, it doesn't work for me either.
Python sucks at unicode, maybe they used python, not sure though.
Err... what? It's easier to shoot yourself in the foot, sure. But I haven't had unicode issues since I learned how to handle things properly years ago, when I was first getting into development.
Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together
#224Damn this is pretty similar to the direction my app Wallboardr is taking, except status columns aren't customisable yet. Any thoughts on comparison folks? http://wallboardr.com
The Trello site is written in plain English - it's easy for anyone to think of ways they could use Trello. The Walboardr site is full of 'buzzwords' that make it attractive to a segment of the market ('swimlanes', 'burn-up charts', 'points per status', 'backlog', 'iteration' etc.). Trello looks like it's trying to be a general purpose tool, Wallboardr does not. Note that this isn't a value judgement - if it's _intend…
Hi jrmg, thanks for the great feedback.
I initially wanted Wallboardr to be a fairly free-form board that wasn't specific to any industry, but as it developed I thought that approach was lacking in power for my primary audience which was definitely developers.
But it's very interesting to see what Joel and the guys/girls have done because I think they are hitting a sweet spot between power, simplicity and industry-neutrality.
Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together
#225Oh you US people, I get internal server error when I try to activate account which contains ä character in the full name field... And when trying to change my name from the account page: Display Name can only contain letters, numbers, spaces, or the following characters: -_'.@+ Does this affect the Google account login also, it doesn't work for me either.
Same problem for a member of my team with a accented e in her name.
Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together
#226So I honestly don't get it. Is this a poor mans bug tracker? A possible re-invention of a bug tracker? (something wacky and different version of a bug tracker to see if it sticks?) I have seen people mention project management a bunch, but the view really isn't about viewing what people are doing. In fact items that don't have people assigned to them still show up. The 10 foot view isn't even that good as they all sq…
In my view this looks like a great tool for agile workflow. A replacement for the board with sticky notes. regarding the scale ... most if not all bug-trackers become a junk yard of bug reports. thousands of them. most never get fixed. lots never get looked at. This tool lets you store things that you are going to do in the near future. And the rest... lets deal with it when we get there. I think if you can't remembe…
In looking at it, it looks much more generic than Pivotal Tracker (which I'm a current heavy user of and absolutely adore).
Pivotal Tracker is very focused on being an agile workflow tool. You enter a card, estimate it, start it, deliver it, and then it gets accepted or rejected. This is great for agile projects. Where it falls down is if you want to use it for non-development efforts, like say a marketing project, or building a new data center. Projects where that workflow doesn't really apply.
In my opinion, this is where Trello seems like it could shine. It's one tool that everyone can use to manage their work.
I don't see myself leaving Pivotal Tracker any time soon, but I will definitely keep an eye on Trello.
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#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's more complicated than that, and it's hard to answer here. Basically -- if you're building something big and complicated and you should know exactly how it's going to work, a big written spec really helps. If you're building something brand new, a startup, or a crazy idea that you need to test quickly and iterate, you should use lots of little specs. It's ok if the specs aren't so fancy... a detailed map of what…
Thanks for the response. I see where you're going from. I only brought it up because my development organization would fail that part of the Joel Test, where many totally dysfunctional organizations I have worked with would pass. Doesn't pass my initial smell test. It's easy to see someone jumping in and writing and re-writing code when they haven't thought it through as wasteful. People have a harder time seeing tha…
Rewriting the spec for a feature takes a lot less time than rewriting the code.
Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together
#230It definitely has all the trappings of a Fog Creek app: - The overall UI: built by programmers who dabble in design - A seven(!) minute video about how _simple_ it is to use. It's easy! Instead of just raising your hand, you mark a light on the corresponding tote board, which informs your manager that you need more information. I hate to be contrarian, but there are many other apps out there that solve this problem m…
Harumph, grouchy pants. Well, one of the designer/UI peeps at 37signals liked it! so there! http://twitter.com/#!/rjs/status/113751685091950592 But in typical usenet style, I will engage each of your points directly and anxiously await your rebuttal. - "The UI stinks." I think this is the number one thing we've gotten praise for. It's hard to please everyone, but overwhelmingly people have told us the opposite of wha…
No rebuttal here! Thanks very much for the clarification.
If you're getting praise for the UI, go for it. I think my biggest issue is the relatively narrow nature of the design. The cards, the columns, etc. Example: http://cl.ly/1i01452a3l0V1X3K3N1f -- line breaks like that are difficult on the eyeballs.
Little things, like using color-coded labels for organization sound good on paper, but are very tedious in practice. Lots of calendars use this with good intentions, but you'll find yourself asking, "is that a grey, or taupe task?"
Walking the user through the on-boarding process would help immensely in describing the product. Right now, there's a bit of information overload with everything being visible on the screen. It'd be neat to see an approach where you're presented with nothing, and are told to "create a list. Great! Now add yourself to this list. Wonderful! Lists are used for X, Y, Z"
I do apologize for being so gruff in my original comment. If you're getting great feedback on Trello, there's obviously something there. Good luck with it!