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BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen

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Good. Currently I'm forced to pay for content I dont consume.

You don't pay because you watch it. You pay so other people have some access to actual information so that we can have a functioning democracy and society. If you don't want those things, move to a failed state somewhere. If you do, pay up and get over yourself.

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They went draconian because the media pushed for it and the public seemed to support it.

Righto, it was "the medias" fault, not the government running the country for 10+ years. It is in Tory DNA to be authoritarian, the pandemic was simply an opportunity to act on those impulses. While laughing about it from No. 10 (see Cummings, the parties, et al). The UK is barely-democratic. All key decisions are controlled by Westminster and number 10. The rights under devolution for Scotland and Wales (such as the…

A strong centralized democracy with very little in terms of local government is not an outlier; it's the norm. Europe and Africa mostly run on central authority, as does Ireland. I think your view is skewed because you're an American (I think?)

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> Media and journalists mostly have a left bias This is an astonishing comment. Can you justify it?

In the terms of UK, "left bias" means "not tory/ukip", and the majority of the UK thus has a "left bias" Given that journalists are mostly aged between 25 and say 60, have a degree, and fit in the "AB" group, you pump it into https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/12/how-britain-voted-and-... And you find a large majority will be "not tory" all things being equal.

Sure, but there's a meaningful difference between "left leaning" and "left biased", is there not?

It seems entirely possible for a person sympathetic to the left to create content which is unbiased, or even biased in the other direction, based on external pressures.

The claim made wasn't that most journalists lean left, which may or may not be true (I think your assessment is probably a decent first approximation); but that "most media and journalists have a left bias", which is so far from being true in the UK that I suspect that GGP may not be arguing with facts in mind.

Re: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen

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Righto, it was "the medias" fault, not the government running the country for 10+ years. It is in Tory DNA to be authoritarian, the pandemic was simply an opportunity to act on those impulses. While laughing about it from No. 10 (see Cummings, the parties, et al). The UK is barely-democratic. All key decisions are controlled by Westminster and number 10. The rights under devolution for Scotland and Wales (such as the…

A strong centralized democracy with very little in terms of local government is not an outlier; it's the norm. Europe and Africa mostly run on central authority, as does Ireland. I think your view is skewed because you're an American (I think?)

Yes there are certainly other centralized democracies. The UK and France have some of the largest populations under such a system however, by a decent amount to my knowledge.

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#195

'Linear TV' (broadcast TV) is dead and the BBC probably have known this for some time. The idea of a TV schedule feels antiquated today amid unprecedented on-demand content. On commercial streaming services, only prestige series (seasons) are released weekly, everything else gets a whole series released in one go. (The BBC already does this on iPlayer for some series.) It's worth remembering that the BBC is a Public…

This "linear TV is dead" mantra is just not true, and not supported by data. Linear TV is still extraordinarily popular in the UK across all age demographics.

The most viewed shows last year got over 10m viewers. Young people watch Love Island live at huge numbers.

You're not going to get an 80 year old binge watching Countryfile on Netflix. Not everyone wants to switch to that viewing model.

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We've already had Brexit and Prime Minister Boris. How much more failed would you like the UK to become? We don't have the weather for literally being mad max...

I've been to a fair few places around the world, some experiencing levels of poverty, corruption and violence that should make any human weep. To compare the UK to those, while using the terms "Brexit" and "Prime Minister Boris" is absurd and hyperbolic, if not disrespectful to both the UK and those people in the places I mentioned.

Yes, we should wait until it's happened and then try to stop it from happening.

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That's what multiple newspapers including The Times are reporting, yes. Since Boris' job is on the line, he's apparently panicking and due to roll out a series of popularist policies next week.

Boris is finished, he probably won't last the week. It reminds me of the day when Thatcher fell. Leading Conservative MPs will be currently phoning each other trying to determine how much support they will get if they make a move. Someone who has no serious chance will be nominated as a 'stalking horse' to stand up and challenge Boris. Then the other stronger candidates will put themselves forward to 'save the name o…

> Boris is finished, he probably won't last the week.

I've lost track of how many times I've heard this over the past 3 years

Re: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the terms of UK, "left bias" means "not tory/ukip", and the majority of the UK thus has a "left bias" Given that journalists are mostly aged between 25 and say 60, have a degree, and fit in the "AB" group, you pump it into https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/12/how-britain-voted-and-... And you find a large majority will be "not tory" all things being equal.

Sure, but there's a meaningful difference between "left leaning" and "left biased", is there not? It seems entirely possible for a person sympathetic to the left to create content which is unbiased, or even biased in the other direction, based on external pressures. The claim made wasn't that most journalists lean left, which may or may not be true (I think your assessment is probably a decent first approximation); b…

I read it as their inherent unconscious bias will be left leaning, and they will attempt to adjust for that in their output (certainly I've spoken to journalists based in Israel, and their views over a beer in the American Colony are very different to the considered ones they say on air)

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'Linear TV' (broadcast TV) is dead and the BBC probably have known this for some time. The idea of a TV schedule feels antiquated today amid unprecedented on-demand content. On commercial streaming services, only prestige series (seasons) are released weekly, everything else gets a whole series released in one go. (The BBC already does this on iPlayer for some series.) It's worth remembering that the BBC is a Public…

This "linear TV is dead" mantra is just not true, and not supported by data. Linear TV is still extraordinarily popular in the UK across all age demographics. The most viewed shows last year got over 10m viewers. Young people watch Love Island live at huge numbers. You're not going to get an 80 year old binge watching Countryfile on Netflix. Not everyone wants to switch to that viewing model.

Good points. However, on-demand streaming has changed people expectations around content availability. A weekly show on linear TV makes sense when it's topical (e.g. Countryfile or news-related), if it's a reality contest with a finale (e.g. Love Island, The Apprentice) or a prestigious drama with cliff-hanger ending.

Even the idea of TV channels makes little sense today unless those channels reflect a genre or theme (e.g. The Arts Channel or the Horror channel). I suspect most people in the UK would struggle to describe the purpose or differences between BBC channels. Streaming services (including iPlayer) reflect what probably makes sense to most people - the genre or theme of the programme. BBC linear channels are increasingly irrelevant.

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