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BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen

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Post by brigandish »

LatteLazy wrote: post #169
brigandish wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the BBC is the only thing stopping the UK from becoming a failed state then God help us. Or, we could simply carry on without it and not really notice. I'm going with the latter.

We've already had Brexit and Prime Minister Boris. How much more failed would you like the UK to become? We don't have the weather for literally being mad max...

I've been to a fair few places around the world, some experiencing levels of poverty, corruption and violence that should make any human weep. To compare the UK to those, while using the terms "Brexit" and "Prime Minister Boris" is absurd and hyperbolic, if not disrespectful to both the UK and those people in the places I mentioned.

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Post by chrisseaton »

gruez wrote: post #179
chrisseaton wrote: post #150

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Reporting on yourself is the polar opposite of journalistic integrity. Reporting on yourself but not even noting to the reader that you're reporting on yourself is worse yet. Writing a named-author analysis piece about yourself, which they have here at the end of the article, is reaching insanity level. The BBC shouldn't report on the BBC.

> Reporting on yourself is the polar opposite of journalistic integrity. 1. are there any news outlets that abides by this rule? 2. if I get my news from listening to BBC on the radio or whatever, then am I just out of luck? >Reporting on yourself but not even noting to the reader that you're reporting on yourself is worse yet. I get how including a disclosure makes sense if the affiliation isn't obvious (eg. washing…

> are there any news outlets that abides by this rule?

Maybe not - but others are their own business, rather than funded by a tax on the people like the BBC.

And the BBC do seem to be particularly weird and breathless about reporting on themselves. They've edited the article in place and they're now quoting insider knowledge from an anonymous tip-off... that they've given themselves.

It's like that in other areas as well - people working at the BBC once commissioned a sitcom about... people working at the BBC. And when they report on the winner of one of their game shows as news, or when they report that it's a headline that someone said something in an interview from their own interview shows.

> if I get my news from listening to BBC on the radio or whatever, then am I just out of luck?

For getting objective reporting on the BBC then yeah you are, either way. Is that surprising? Obviously they can't objectively report on themselves.

I think they should possibly have a headline on the front page, but it should link to another outlet's reporting. But then choosing the outlet isn't objective either.

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Post by dfawcus »

dazc wrote: post #152
nickkell wrote: post #131

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Which streaming service are you referring to? AFAIK you do actually need a license to watch BBC iPlayer

Netflix, amazon, itv and Now (Sky) mostly. He does use iPlayer but, AFAIK, you only need a licence to watch live broadcast TV. I concede you can watch live (or pretty much nearly live) TV on iplayer but he doesn't do that.

The legislation was changed such that a licence is needed to watch any content on iPlayer.

This was the whole 'iplayer hole' stuff which hit the news a few years ago. The Beeb were hoping to have the various commercial streaming services covered by the licence requirement, but failed - in part as it would break/invalidate the operating model for those commercial services.

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Post by Cycl0ps »

brigandish wrote: post #167
phatfish wrote: post #166

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Righto, it was "the medias" fault, not the government running the country for 10+ years. It is in Tory DNA to be authoritarian, the pandemic was simply an opportunity to act on those impulses. While laughing about it from No. 10 (see Cummings, the parties, et al). The UK is barely-democratic. All key decisions are controlled by Westminster and number 10. The rights under devolution for Scotland and Wales (such as the…

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Post by digianarchist »

mbirth wrote: post #114
cracrecry wrote: post #28

One of the great things of the Licence fee was that the Government does not get to control the national TV like it does when the one who pays is it directly. In places like Spain the national TV(and regional TV too) becomes a propaganda machine for the exclusive service of the Government(s, national and regional). It is awful to have your taxes redirected for the private interest of the Party in charge. In fact with…

We have a license fee in Germany, too. The income from that comes out at about twice of that in the UK. (With most of it burned for pensions.) And the public TV stations still appease our government so they (the government) never question the license fee amount.

The BBC appeases the government of the day. They’re not the firebrand impartial service folks here make them out to be.

Their domestic political coverage over the last 5 years has really damaged their brand.

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Post by dbbk »

kaashif wrote: post #111
cracrecry wrote: post #28

One of the great things of the Licence fee was that the Government does not get to control the national TV like it does when the one who pays is it directly. In places like Spain the national TV(and regional TV too) becomes a propaganda machine for the exclusive service of the Government(s, national and regional). It is awful to have your taxes redirected for the private interest of the Party in charge. In fact with…

> the Government does not get to control the national TV like it does when the one who pays is it directly. You may want to double check who's in charge of the BBC. The Director-General Tim Davie is a former deputy chairman of a local Conservative party and Conservative councillor candidate. Not that bad, perhaps. But the Chairman of the BBC, Richard Sharp, was a banker at JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs, advisor to Bori…

Tim Davie has literally no editorial control though.

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Post by dbbk »

Nextgrid wrote: post #91
afandian wrote: post #77

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How does this work with radio?

Is radio covered by the license? But on a technical level it should be possible with DAB which actually has some adoption in the UK unlike most other countries.

Yes radio is paid for by the license.

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Post by [deleted] »

mschuster91 wrote: post #89
ssddanbrown wrote: post #9

I like much of what the BBC do and produce, especially BBC news, but the licence fee has always felt like a relic from the past with a bad strategy of enforcement (With their threatening letters and misguiding terminology as to when a license is required). Their actual broadcast service is lacking in some areas too. On BBC One HD I still get a blank place-holder screen for local news, advising to switch to the non-HD…

> I hope the BBC continues to survive, just with a more modern funding approach Difficult. There are not many ways to fund a public TV/radio program, and all of the non-per-household-license free-OTA variants have issues: - anything tax-based is just asking for trouble aka a populist government extorting the public stations after critical coverage - ad-funded... well that's just ordinary private TV, with the threat h…

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Post by mavhc »

onphonenow wrote: post #109
HWR_14 wrote: post #81

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Only to answer your question about the party scandals - it totally made its way across the Atlantic. The severity of the scandal has been stated but is not obvious (Boris May lose his prime ministership over this ?) However, it was drowned out by the ouster of Phillip.

What I don't get is why the conservatives were so draconian over covid. Your partner is dying, you can't see them. Folks couldn't walk around outside. Some guy driving to walk around outside was like national news. I mean, if you go to this extreme, and then are throwing parties. (Rules for thee, not for me) it would make me furious as well. Let me go sit on the beach with sunshine and fresh air instead of having to…

They completely messed up their response to covid, had partial lockdowns that didn't work and thus went on longer, didn't screen people coming into the country, didn't shut schools for ages, and now UK has the highest infection rate of any large country, 22%.

Yet still half of the conservatives are against the meager restrictions we have now, want to get rid of asking people nicely to wear masks.

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