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Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by FabHK »

throwawaybutno wrote: post #27
awb wrote: post #5

Interesting that while the odds of the vaccine protecting against infection are near all-time lows (mid 70s), vaccine protection against hospitalization is near all-time highs (mid-90s). Also interesting that this data treats 14-days+ after last shot as fully vaccinated, so presumably two-shot and three-shot people are both treated as “fully vaccinated”. > Fully-vaccinated people may have received additional or boost…

Published effectiveness against Omicron infection is under 10%. This data is simply wrong.

Maybe the data you are citing is "simply wrong". Or maybe different studies at different locations and times with different methodologies have different outcomes. Science is messy.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by kkjjkgjjgg »

ChicagoDave wrote: post #41
encryptluks2 wrote: post #3

Everyone I know that is getting COVID-19 lately is vaccinated. Everyone I know that didn't get vaccinated hasn't even been sick.

"Everyone I know" is anecdotal and most people that use this language are outright lying. Trump is an expert at "They're saying things are bad" and of course some people believe this nonsense. "Everyone" and "They" are propaganda tools. Make a claim. Provide the evidence. Otherwise you're just one of the people that refuses to accept reality.

What a ridiculous comment. The OP is not "denying reality" if his experience is as he stated. On the contrary, he would be denying reality if he would believe his observations have to be wrong.

It is not reasonable to ask for "evidence" for his observations, either, as that is impossible to provide. Not even the article posted here provides any evidence, you just chose to trust them as an institution.

He did not write an article for publication, it is just a comment in an internet forum. It is absolutely OK to report personal experiences in that context.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by awb »

drewg123 wrote: post #9

I wonder how under-reported mild breakthrough cases are, due to self testing? I'm fully vaccinated and boosted, and I had what I suspect is Omicron about 10 days ago. I had a mild fever (approaching, but not reaching 101), a sore throat, sneezing and nasal congestion for 3-4 days, and I tested positive with an over the counter rapid test. Overall, it was like a very minor cold. My girlfriend also tested positive, and…

> I wonder how under-reported mild breakthrough cases are, due to self testing?

I bet Google & Facebook have enough metadata to measure it more accurately.

I personally know of a dozen or so unreported positives (both tested positive and presumed positive), compared to two reported positives.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by [deleted] »

tylersmith wrote: post #8
sschueller wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know where you are located but here in Switzerland I would definitely want the positive PCR test as proof. Although it may no longer be needed as it looks like this will be over soon the confirmation of an infection is treated here almost like a vaccination. So you will get a certificate extension etc. The isolation time here has been reduced to 5 days with minimum 2 days symptom free.

Here in the US there is no upside to having proof of infection. It doesn't relieve you of needing vaccination or false tests in any situation. Edit: not false tests; true negative tests.

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Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by twofornone »

>Current estimates of cases and hospitalizations by vaccine status, and vaccine effectiveness

Estimate is the key word here. It's really difficult for me to trust official figures given that omicron appears to be spreading virtually unabated across the world regardless of vaccination rates. There's far too much political (state and corporate) pressure to paint a "safe and effective" picture.

As others have pointed out, people in the US are simply not reporting breakthrough cases. There is no incentive. The majority of my fully vaccinated remote workers at have recently tested positive, presumably for omicron. Yet our small startup has still chosen to announce mandates for all, including remote workers. This all feels a lot more like blind faith than science at this point.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by drewg123 »

drno123 wrote: post #26
mhh__ wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which studies?

For example, check pages 30, 36 and 42 of the following report from Scotland: https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/11089/22-01-12-covid...

That's interesting. I wonder if most of the unvaccinated population has already been infected with an older variant of covid-19, and if that previous infection provides a more effective immune response than the vaccine for omicron?

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by jscheel »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #3

Everyone I know that is getting COVID-19 lately is vaccinated. Everyone I know that didn't get vaccinated hasn't even been sick.

Did you even read the article you posted below (since flagged, not by me)? It outlines the study's results, which very clearly say that the results only show that omicron is effective at evading vaccines, and do not indicate any increased susceptibility based on vaccine use. It describes its results as "a measure of how well Omicron evades the vaccines compared to Delta." It also states, "from our recent characteristics release, we also see that unvaccinated people overall are more likely to test positive for COVID-19, regardless of variant" (emphasis mine). Not to mention the test-hesitancy of the un-vaccinated population. You need to stop spreading misleading interpretations.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by wand3r »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #3

Everyone I know that is getting COVID-19 lately is vaccinated. Everyone I know that didn't get vaccinated hasn't even been sick.

Did the downstream thread get flagged? I replied to this comment and I only see 3-4 replies now. I can still view my own comment in context but it isn’t appearing.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by pelasaco »

sschueller wrote: post #4
pelasaco wrote: post #2

I'm full vaccinated and boosted. This week my antigen test is positive. I had some flu symptoms (fever, pain in my body, coughing) but nothing really hard. I'm still not 100%, but I'm fine. I'm 40 years old, on my weight and do regular sports (5x week). I dont smoke neither drink. Got it probably in the fitness studio. I will stay at home until my test is negative. I have 0 incentive to go to the hospital do a PCR te…

I don't know where you are located but here in Switzerland I would definitely want the positive PCR test as proof. Although it may no longer be needed as it looks like this will be over soon the confirmation of an infection is treated here almost like a vaccination. So you will get a certificate extension etc. The isolation time here has been reduced to 5 days with minimum 2 days symptom free.

Germany, but what is the upside to do the PCR test? You get officially in Isolation and can get a visit from the regulatory office to check if you are at home. AFAICS there is no upside. You won't get any treatment protocol, any help. You just get more pressure over you. I won't have the proof of recovery, but actually I don't need it since I have all certificates (2 shots + booster). That's make me think if this whole thing makes sense: As it is now, I can go everywhere (even with an antigen positive), because I have the booster certificate and therefore I don't have to test myself. The only real meaningful approach would be test everyone, everywhere regardless of the vaccination.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by pstoll »

awb wrote: post #53
drewg123 wrote: post #9

I wonder how under-reported mild breakthrough cases are, due to self testing? I'm fully vaccinated and boosted, and I had what I suspect is Omicron about 10 days ago. I had a mild fever (approaching, but not reaching 101), a sore throat, sneezing and nasal congestion for 3-4 days, and I tested positive with an over the counter rapid test. Overall, it was like a very minor cold. My girlfriend also tested positive, and…

> I wonder how under-reported mild breakthrough cases are, due to self testing? I bet Google & Facebook have enough metadata to measure it more accurately. I personally know of a dozen or so unreported positives (both tested positive and presumed positive), compared to two reported positives.

Lots of people are looking at local waste-water COVID testing data as a way to get prevalence in an area.

Here’s my local area - note the scale!

https://www.mwra.com/biobot/biobotdata.htm

And the US CDC program for this national effort: https://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/surveillance/wastewater-sur...

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