Live data from Hacker News

BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen

theguardian.com

31–40 of 225 posts

Re: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen

#31

One of the great things of the Licence fee was that the Government does not get to control the national TV like it does when the one who pays is it directly. In places like Spain the national TV(and regional TV too) becomes a propaganda machine for the exclusive service of the Government(s, national and regional). It is awful to have your taxes redirected for the private interest of the Party in charge. In fact with…

> In places like Spain

Spain? Spain pales in comparison with Poland. Where they collect the license fee, too.

Re: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen

#32

I have issues with the BBC - especially its partisan news reporting on the current government and its performance during the Scottish independence referendum, but would still like it to exist I find BBC drama is consistently of a high quality - and unlike the paid services i can watch 6 episodes and its pretty much ended. Everything on netflix/prime is like 10 seasons of 20 episodes Sad times - but im sure Rupert Mur…

> especially its partisan news reporting on the current government

Is that pro-government or anti-government in your view?

Re: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen

#33
post #8

The following pretty much lays out the mentality behind the cuts: "The source added that 'the days of state-run TV are over' and praised the growth of US-run companies such as Netflix and YouTube." Yes, let's run to our algorithmically run and siloed future.

Nothing to do with stuff like this: Michael Fabricant, the Conservative MP for Lichfield, has said that the BBC has launched a “coup attempt” against Boris Johnson after hearing a news bulletin which criticised the PM over lockdown parties held at No. 10. Speaking yesterday, Mr Fabricant said: “BBC Radio 4 Bulletin leads this morning with a manufactured story of what some MPs have said to the BBC. This is not news re…

That's obviously pissing off the government right now, but honestly it's the least of the problems with their Covid-19 news coverage. They kept on pushing both false and misleading claims about the UK doing worse at stuff than other countries, in at least one case that I know of for a month in an article linked from the BBC news front page after they became aware it was false. (The government made a big deal about reaching 100,000 Covid tests in a day and the BBC wrongly claimed Germany had done this a month earlier. In reality they'd mistaken Germany's stat for their lab capacity to process Covid tests - which was basically irrelevant because everything else, from the ability to swap people to the availiabily of consumables to even just returning test results, was more of a bottleneck there - for actual Covid testing done, and Germany wouldn't hit this until like a month later. Then when people complained they took it down for a day, supposedly discussed the complaints with senior staff, and then decided to reinstate it and kept it for a month whilst using Covid as an excuse to not respond to complaints. They then quietly memory-holed it from the article and used that as an excuse for not publishing a correction. A previous version of the article also did a similar thing by wrongly comparing the UK's daily stat to France's weekly one - that did get a correction, which was quietly memory-holed too after a few days. Obviously this played right into all the usual narratives about our lying Brexit-supporting leaders.)

There's also obviously a lot of decisions during the pandemic where all options had downsides, and the BBC News coverage was very biased towards the downsides of whatever the government did - this became particularly clear when the government changed their mind and suddenly they flipped to going after the thing they were cheerleading before. One that HN is likely familiar with is the NHS contact tracing app using Bluetooth on mobile phones. Initially that didn't use Google and Apple's framework and the BBC coverage pushed the downsides of that heavily, making it sound like there was no good reason to do it and the claim that Google and Apple's framework made results less accurate was just something the government was pushing. Literally the day the new app using that framework launched, they started downplaying the downsides of the old app and found a experts to claim the new app was less accurate and excluded a bunch of people on earlier Android versions - again, these were inherent downsides of choosing that option. Everything was like this, from lockdowns to vaccinations. Even when the government picked some kind of middle ground option, the Beeb ran articles with some groups attacking the government for not doing less, then with others attacking them for not doing more, and both were always set against the government rather than against each others' demands. Often they'd even rewrite an article on their website and flip it from pushing heavily for one to pushing hard for the other after it'd been published, which is just weird.

There was also the incident where one of their high-up reporters retweeted a particularly partisan tweet pushing the idea Boris was literally a criminal murderer who should go to jail over the UK's handling of Covid, which rather hinted at why their coverage was like this.

Re: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen

#34
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So they become state tv? Then why have them at all? Why not call it TV?

State TVs don't necessarily represent the current party. I've seen plenty of examples of state TVs siding with the opposition in various countries. Media and journalists mostly have a left bias and when there is a right government they won't side with the government, unless the government is a de facto dictatorship and you can't go against it for safety concerns (Russia comes to mind). Not that I justify state TVs at…

The BBC couldn't have been more blatantly favoring the incumbent party in the last election. Everything from measurably giving critics of the opposition 2x the airtime of supporters to editing footage to cut out their audience booing the prime minister.

They are critical of the government sometimes (e.g. right now) but their editorial line follows what the investor owned press is saying. They havent been independently critical since their independence was curtailed after the David Kelly whitewash, IIRC.

Where they lean "left" it is by placing prominence on issues like women's rights, gay rights, veganism, pronoun politics, etc. and other "leftish" issues nonthreatening to powerful interests (a form of left https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recuperation_(politics) ). They downplay strikes and most protests (including antivaxxers).

Re: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen

#35
I’m not sure how much cut through this has had outside of the UK, but the government are currently in serious trouble because of constant leaks about parties in Number 10 Downing Street during the pandemic - including a particularly poorly timed one the day before the Queen was photographed at her husband’s funeral alone.

The leaks are ongoing, so we know that this particular plan is part of “Operation Red Meat”, which might be familiar if you’ve heard “red meat for the base”. That’s what this is. It’s going to cause serious problems for the BBC while this government remains in power, but this isn’t a serious proposal for the future of that organisation. It’s an effort to get furious Conservative supporters back on side and secure Boris Johnson’s position.

Other aspects of Operation Red Meat are reported to be military involvement at the Channel Crossing, and a ban on alcohol in Number 10. There’s another set of plans called Operation Save Big Dog too, which mostly seem to involve firing a bunch of other senior figures.

Some more info: https://www.politics.co.uk/news-in-brief/pm-working-on-serie...

Re: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen

#36

Good. Currently I'm forced to pay for content I dont consume.

Mate, you're going to spit blood when you hear about all the roads, hospitals and armed forces you're paying for but not directly using.

Just about everyone uses roads, hospitals, and enjoys the security provided by armed forces (for example, the OP apparently has a computer or smart phone, which I'm betting traveled on a road for some part of its journey from the factory to him, and which I'm betting relied on the implicit security provided by military forces to prevent it being hijacked on the way).

Broadcast television is at an entirely different level of the Maslow hierarchy. It's quite possible to lead a productive and enjoyable life without consuming broadcast television at all, much less one particular channel of broadcast television.

Re: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen

#37
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So they become state tv? Then why have them at all? Why not call it TV?

State TVs don't necessarily represent the current party. I've seen plenty of examples of state TVs siding with the opposition in various countries. Media and journalists mostly have a left bias and when there is a right government they won't side with the government, unless the government is a de facto dictatorship and you can't go against it for safety concerns (Russia comes to mind). Not that I justify state TVs at…

> unless the government is a de facto dictatorship

This is a highly naïve view that can only be said somebody who has always lived in a country with free press. Look at Poland, not a dictatorship but increasingly hostile to government critical journalists.

> I'm against all forms of taxation

How do you propose to fund schools, streets, police, military, and fire services? Paying for them individually will not work unless you mean insurances which then are basically a tax.

Re: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen

#38
post #11

Good. Currently I'm forced to pay for content I dont consume.

I don't need to pay for a license fee because I don't watch TV. I watch Netflix, amazon, apple, disney etc. I still pay it because I'm listening to radio 2 at the moment, and have the news website in the background. While legally I don't need a license fee for that, it feels wrong to not be contributing. Unless you're some weird boomer still paying £600 a year for a sky subscription to watch shit TV broken by adverts…

Great to here that this works in the UK.

The Swiss equivalent has simply declared that "any device capable of using the internet" can also receive television programs, and thus isn't exempt.

So no one with a computer or smartphone is exempt.

(At least this "solves" the apparent problem that UK residents can't watch some UK TV content online for free, while the rest of the world can)

Re: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen

#39
post #32

I have issues with the BBC - especially its partisan news reporting on the current government and its performance during the Scottish independence referendum, but would still like it to exist I find BBC drama is consistently of a high quality - and unlike the paid services i can watch 6 episodes and its pretty much ended. Everything on netflix/prime is like 10 seasons of 20 episodes Sad times - but im sure Rupert Mur…

> especially its partisan news reporting on the current government Is that pro-government or anti-government in your view?

They are pro-government, pro-union - but the point is BBC news should be non-partisan

Re: BBC licence fee to be abolished in 2027 and funding frozen

#40

I’m not sure how much cut through this has had outside of the UK, but the government are currently in serious trouble because of constant leaks about parties in Number 10 Downing Street during the pandemic - including a particularly poorly timed one the day before the Queen was photographed at her husband’s funeral alone. The leaks are ongoing, so we know that this particular plan is part of “Operation Red Meat”, whi…

Your comment does't make any sense. You are saying that the Conservative party are making this huge change to distract from their current problems. Are you saying they created the entire plan in a few weeks? Do you have any evidence for your extraordinary claims?
Post reply on HN