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Ready for an N95? Here's how to find a high-quality one that fits you well

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Re: Ready for an N95? Here's how to find a high-quality one that fits you well

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Fit is critically important. There is no point in having an advanced filter material if the mask fit itself is leaking air everywhere. >"An N95 is more protective because it has a better face seal in general than a KN95 or a KF94," N95 does not require manufacturers to test for fit. However, the headband normally ensures a better face seal. KF94 has a fit-test requirement, but it's bar is low -- 11% leakage to pass t…

>and is easy to breathe in with My understanding is that for Covid your mask is expected to filter exhalation, protecting others from any virus you may have in your system. My understanding is that masks do very little to protect you from inhaling unwanted virus carrying particles. Of course, it seems to me that a good mask should really be doing both jobs at once, with a good seal. Which means no beards and headband…

Cloth masks do little to protect you on the way in but do catch quite a lot on the way out even with side leaks. The intuition there is the tiny wet globs of fluid flying out of your mouth from breathing etc are pretty heavy and catch on the mask easily when fresh. That helps a lot. If not caught they dry out, becoming lighter and smaller, and then float in the air at infectious levels for up to a few hours. At a system level getting almost everyone wearing at least cloth masks helps slow spread down a lot.

Once you're dealing with exposure to an environment filled with the fine airborne particles you need a well-fitted N95 or better to protect yourself. Although the virus itself is tiny it's traveling in particles closer to 1 micron which N95 type filters work great for. You can still be infected through your eyes but as far as I know that's very rare in normal non-hospital settings.

So that's self-protection, but why bother? It's true that at this point most people will be exposed eventually and with three shots of the mRNA vaccines people are unlikely to end up in the hospital. Several reasons. First, slowing rate of transmission will reduce overloading the hospital system. That saves a lot of collateral damage to people with otherwise treatable problems when they get turned away due to the crowds. Second, if you are unlucky enough to get sick enough to need a hospital bed you want that to happen when there is plenty of capacity, availability of drugs, etc. Third, the treatment regimens keep improving as the medical world learns better treatments and better drugs become available. Fourth, how sick you get appears to vary with how much virus you are exposed to. So even if your PPE is not perfect you can reduce your odds of serious effects when infected. Around half of people infected experience long-term lingering symptoms and there's evidence even in kids that number is not negligible.

It's pretty clear masks are effective both at an individual protection level and as a public health measure, I'm not sure how they got turned into such a political hot topic.

Re: Ready for an N95? Here's how to find a high-quality one that fits you well

#172

It boggles my mind that the general public, media, and even healthcare workers treat N95 mask as if they are as good as it gets. Industry routinely uses elastomeric half- and full-face respirators with P100 filters, and they have been easy to find in stock again since August 2020. P100 is a comparable grade to HEPA, both 99.97%. Respirators are more comfortable and seal well easier than purely fabric masks, they don'…

Does that model have an unfiltered exhalation valve? That would make it useless to protect others, which is a big point of masks.

You can cover the exhaust with filter material, that's what I did.

Re: Ready for an N95? Here's how to find a high-quality one that fits you well

#173

Scientists spent several years trying to convince the powers that be that Covid spread was airborne. >In an open letter published today (July 6 2020), 239 scientists from 32 countries urge the World Health Organization and other bodies to address the potential for airborne transmission of the coronavirus. The authors write that a growing body of evidence suggests “beyond any reasonable doubt” that the virus spreads i…

Many people still seem to think that it is transmitted on surfaces. Not instead of airborne, but additionally.

And I don't mean experts or lawmakers (that I know of), I mean in my area of the US, grocery stores and gas stations (sometimes) have signs saying put a plastic bag or gloves on your hands.

Re: Ready for an N95? Here's how to find a high-quality one that fits you well

#174
post #135

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Are you really afraid of it? Care explaining how it invokes fear?

By "afraid", I meant that we think it might happen, and think it would be bad if it does. Similar to how people can be afraid of global warming.

Ah okay. Why do you think it would be bad? Genuinely asking.

Re: Ready for an N95? Here's how to find a high-quality one that fits you well

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The discussion here about masks is interesting. Many people talking about what their own personal preference for masks, exposure, etc. are.

I'd just like to say: the problem, and where the division (which causes bad health outcomes!) comes from is: deciding what your strategy is, and then trying to force other people to do the same thing.

If my strategy was: don't wear masks and hope to get omicron, and then I forced others to do the same thing, they would rightly be upset at me for it.

Re: Ready for an N95? Here's how to find a high-quality one that fits you well

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post #67

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> FP2 or N95 do not work either. You can't stop an airborne virus with a mask. Bullshit. Not even worth refuting someone so far removed from reality.

I'd guess that over 95% of people using these masks are unable to keep a seal on the mask. I'm still capital S shocked that we have not invented some better sealing system. Every time my glasses fog up, I know that whatever "protection" I am getting is nil, especially with omicron. The OP is not "removed from reality", they are correct. We had many ways that we could have significantly reduced transmission - e.g. mov…

Masks don’t magically block humidity. In cold weather, the mere fact that a mask redirects more of your exhaled breath upwards (through the mask) can cause fogging.

But yes, most masks seem to fit very poorly indeed.

Re: Ready for an N95? Here's how to find a high-quality one that fits you well

#177

It boggles my mind that the general public, media, and even healthcare workers treat N95 mask as if they are as good as it gets. Industry routinely uses elastomeric half- and full-face respirators with P100 filters, and they have been easy to find in stock again since August 2020. P100 is a comparable grade to HEPA, both 99.97%. Respirators are more comfortable and seal well easier than purely fabric masks, they don'…

In practice many N95s filter over 99% of particles including around the important sizes for COVID. I think of them like drinking coffee from a paper disposable cup: convenient in many ways but more expensive over time and a crappier experience than ceramic. Lots of people will do it.

I do however use a 7502 with 2297 filters for high exposure and GVS Elipse for medium exposure like grocery store.

Re: Ready for an N95? Here's how to find a high-quality one that fits you well

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post #67

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> FP2 or N95 do not work either. You can't stop an airborne virus with a mask. Bullshit. Not even worth refuting someone so far removed from reality.

"Won't refute" is as good as "can't refute". Resorting to rude language and dismissiveness is a weak posture.

Not it isn't, I posted a link downthread showing a 5x+ reduction in infections. OP has been, not surprisingly, silent so far.

Re: Ready for an N95? Here's how to find a high-quality one that fits you well

#179
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There are no vaccines for those under five years old. It appears it’s too much effort for everyone wear a mask until we get a vaccine for all. I used to think that this was how most people thought and behaved, but now it is confirmed clearly for me.

What are the risks for kids under 5 ?

In the near term COVID isn't that likely to make them really sick but a non-negligible % of kids appear to get MIS-C or weird long-term effects like diabetes. If we can extrapolate much from adults getting the kids vaccinated will go a long way towards reducing those.

Re: Ready for an N95? Here's how to find a high-quality one that fits you well

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Yeah, I know they are aware of the concept. It's just that they are mandating masks, but barely mentioning the facial hair issue outside of a few publications that, lets face it, basically nobody reads. It just screams politics over actual safety.

We can barely get folks to wear the things in the first place, let alone over the nose. You want the CDC to add "oh and you have to shave your beard off" to the mix? Really?

If you're not ready to require that the masks be effective, why require them at all?
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