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Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by rjbwork »

YATA0 wrote: post #619
rjbwork wrote: post #502

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In no particular order: The rich are getting richer faster than the rest of us. Real wages are stagnant. Social safety nets are constantly being removed. Labor protections have been being rolled back or enforcement lax since the ATC strike. Atomization and alienation have taken root. The mythos of the nuclear family being paramount is fully embedded in the culture, destroying the older concept of a broader family and…

>The mythos of the nuclear family being paramount is fully embedded in the culture, destroying the older concept of a broader family and community taking part in the rearing of the next generation and just general socialization. It's not a "mythos", it's a fact that children raised in nuclear families have much better outcomes than those who are not [0]. Practically every sociological study confirms this. Black child…

We're not talking about the nuclear family in opposition to single parents or blended families. We're talking about it in opposition to extended and clan families. Which is why I explicitly mentioned extended ("broader") families and communities. Obviously having a mom and a dad is good.

Come on dude, use context clues.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

#622

Post by YATA0 »

rjbwork wrote: post #621
YATA0 wrote: post #619

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The mythos of the nuclear family being paramount is fully embedded in the culture, destroying the older concept of a broader family and community taking part in the rearing of the next generation and just general socialization. It's not a "mythos", it's a fact that children raised in nuclear families have much better outcomes than those who are not [0]. Practically every sociological study confirms this. Black child…

We're not talking about the nuclear family in opposition to single parents or blended families. We're talking about it in opposition to extended and clan families. Which is why I explicitly mentioned extended ("broader") families and communities. Obviously having a mom and a dad is good. Come on dude, use context clues.

>We're talking about it in opposition to extended and clan families.

Which are specifically covered in the CDC report that I listed above.

"Children living in blended (i.e., stepparent), cohabiting, unmarried biological or adoptive, extended, and other families were generally disadvantaged relative to children in nuclear families, and were, for the most part, comparable to children living in single-parent families regarding most health status and access to care measures."

> Which is why I explicitly mentioned extended ("broader") families and communities.

Those "broader" families and communities have unfortunately been failing Black Americans for generations.

>Come on dude, use context clues.

Come on dude, use reading comprehension. At least you admitted here for all to see that you'd rather be a virtue signaler over being a data driven adult.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by mxkopy »

mrhands556 wrote: post #574
rjbwork wrote: post #502

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In no particular order: The rich are getting richer faster than the rest of us. Real wages are stagnant. Social safety nets are constantly being removed. Labor protections have been being rolled back or enforcement lax since the ATC strike. Atomization and alienation have taken root. The mythos of the nuclear family being paramount is fully embedded in the culture, destroying the older concept of a broader family and…

Most places are weak on crime. We have a judge in Minneapolis over the last week: 1. Some guy chased a woman in his car and she ran to a fire station. He crashed into the fire station and fought firefighters. Released 0 bail. 2. Violent criminal with a long past let out of jail to attend funeral and hasn’t returned. This is just the tip of the iceberg. We have constant 0 bail for young carjackers who steal peoples ca…

This is anecdotal evidence, and should not be taken seriously.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by mxkopy »

meatsauce wrote: post #609
panarky wrote: post #588

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has a larger share of its population in prison than any other nation, about 6x higher than Canada, Japan and Western Europe. Is the problem really that too few people are in prison?

So? We have many criminals. Criminals deserve punishment, including jail should the crime be severe enough. Criminals prey on law abiding citizens. If you won't enforce the law, citizens will take the law into the their own hands. Then you will be forced to cry for criminals even more than you are doing now.

That is a really simple take on law and human behavior. Are we really going to ignore all of our modern understanding of psychology to say "criminal bad, criminal deserve jail"?

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by voakbasda »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #397
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #299

People robbing rapid testing kits for the global pandemic from cargo trains entering LA sounds like something from a dystopian cyberpunk novel.

Lacks autonomous armed drones swarming around the train, "disencouraging" anyone who doesn't belong there to stay off the tracks.

Why bother with the complexity of drones when you could add armored “defense” weapons to the sides of the railcars themselves?

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by sgjohnson »

dredmorbius wrote: post #612
sgjohnson wrote: post #412

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A State is also not a Territory or a District.

Do you have a specific reference addressing this, because I'm not finding a clear statement one way or the other. Title 18 lacks a Definitions section that I can find.

Not a definitive source, but here's FATCA for example: https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/tax-policy/treaties...

> The term “U.S. Territory” means American Samoa, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, Guam, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or the U.S. Virgin Islands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territories_of_the_United_Stat...

And there's plenty of references to legal documents clearly stating or implying that territories are in fact not sovereign entities (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico_v._Sanchez_Valle)

And obviously there's only one Disctrict. The District of Columbia.

So it's actually fairly complex to define "the United States", because the answer is generally "it depends on the context"

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by dredmorbius »

sgjohnson wrote: post #626
dredmorbius wrote: post #612

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a specific reference addressing this, because I'm not finding a clear statement one way or the other. Title 18 lacks a Definitions section that I can find.

Not a definitive source, but here's FATCA for example: https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/tax-policy/treaties... > The term “U.S. Territory” means American Samoa, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, Guam, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or the U.S. Virgin Islands. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territories_of_the_United_Stat... And there's plenty of references to legal documents clearly stating or…

Thanks.

I'm trying to determine whether or not the language in Title 18 refers to "territory" in the sense of "any land that is part of the United States" (which would include the states), or "organised Territories exclusive of states". It's odd that the language is chosen but not clarified.

I'm aware that generally states have jurisdiction within their own boundaries, but that interstate commerce is an exception. Given railroads' history ... the distinction, contenxt, and intent seem needlessly vague.

Your original point remains though it's not clear to me it's the correct interpretation.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

#628

Post by rjbwork »

YATA0 wrote: post #622
rjbwork wrote: post #621

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're not talking about the nuclear family in opposition to single parents or blended families. We're talking about it in opposition to extended and clan families. Which is why I explicitly mentioned extended ("broader") families and communities. Obviously having a mom and a dad is good. Come on dude, use context clues.

>We're talking about it in opposition to extended and clan families. Which are specifically covered in the CDC report that I listed above. "Children living in blended (i.e., stepparent), cohabiting, unmarried biological or adoptive, extended, and other families were generally disadvantaged relative to children in nuclear families, and were, for the most part, comparable to children living in single-parent families re…

Again, I was not opposing the nuclear family to families without mothers and fathers. This is a misreading of what I am saying and clearly you are just engaging in the discussion to grind your axe about single parent households in black communities.

As I said, I agree that having a mom and dad is good. It produces better outcomes than having one or neither. Go grind your axe elsewhere.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

#629

Post by panarky »

meatsauce wrote: post #609
panarky wrote: post #588

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has a larger share of its population in prison than any other nation, about 6x higher than Canada, Japan and Western Europe. Is the problem really that too few people are in prison?

So? We have many criminals. Criminals deserve punishment, including jail should the crime be severe enough. Criminals prey on law abiding citizens. If you won't enforce the law, citizens will take the law into the their own hands. Then you will be forced to cry for criminals even more than you are doing now.

Imprisoning people is treating the symptom, not the cause.

If you don't treat the cause, then you'll just continue getting more symptoms.

Maybe we should figure out what it is about the USA that keeps generating so much more antisocial behavior than everywhere else and fix that.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by lovich »

NeverFade wrote: post #598
lovich wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it’s work and the cops are lazy? No one’s on their ass to go after it either unless it happens to someone with money or connections.

California passed a a proposition that theft of property under $950 will not be prosecuted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_California_Proposition_47 No matter how diligent cops are, they cannot do anything about these crimes within the law. Passing such Propositions then blaming cops for rising crime is sinister.

From this article

> It recategorized some nonviolent offenses as misdemeanors, rather than felonies, as they had previously been categorized.

It’s still a crime. Police’s job is to respond to crime. Can you imagine if you were tasked with a job and then just stopped doing it because your thought your boss needed to take it more seriously? Any place I worked you’d get fired.

Especially if you started lying to everyone that your boss made it a rule that the problem can’t be dealt with when in reality you just think the consequences aren’t high enough

> No matter how diligent cops are, they cannot do anything about these crimes within the law

They could patrol the streets and respond to the crime. The court system and prosecutors office decides if it needs to escalate from there. This is the LAPD however so they’re probably too busy forming gangs and engaging in crime themselves

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