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Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by Steltek »

taeric wrote: post #116
im_down_w_otp wrote: post #53

All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application be like and be as consistent as my old Macs. I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time…

I find this funny, in that I struggle with Mac all the time. The worst grievance lately is that I don't know how to just pop back and forth between three windows. Something about the way command tab works just kills my ability to reason about what the window stack currently is. And, for the life of me, I never get copy paste from a terminal to work like I want it to.

Headed in the other direction (Linux at home to Mac at work) for years now, I can't understand what the fuss is about with Mac keyboard shortcuts. In my experience, I don't find them consistent, useful, or pleasant to use. You hit the nail on the head with alt-tab.

alt-tab is universal. Hell, alt-tab works on Android if you hook up a keyboard to it. Mac is the only thing where alt-tab falls on its face. Even if you remind yourself that you're on Mac and use cmd-tab, it cycles between apps, not windows. You need to use cmd-` for that. I often find myself in a cycle of using 3 windows across 2 apps and it drives me bonkers.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by Shared404 »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #67
Normille wrote: post #19

All very pretty I'm sure. But, at the end of the day, much though I enjoy twiddling with Linux and poking around different distros, I'm stuck with MacOS because [like a lot of folks who use MacOS for work reasons and not to be 'hipster cool'] I work in the design industry and that means the Adobe suite is a must. Linux has nothing that comes close. And the customary recommendations; The Gimp and Inkscape are so pitif…

I think these articles are meant for casual users and programmer, which greatly outnumber desktop publishing/artistic users. No one has claimed with a straight face that gimp will let you replace photoshop overnight.

> No one has claimed with a straight face that gimp will let you replace photoshop overnight.

Eh, high school me is sitting somewhere in the background sheepishly right now.

High school me was not the most intelligent guy.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by intothemild »

_fzslm wrote: post #108
im_down_w_otp wrote: post #53

All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application be like and be as consistent as my old Macs. I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time…

yup yup yup. i would pack my bags from Mac land and move to that distro right away. (if i had adobe too, lol…) having a global menu interface that presents a uniform structure for navigating applications to the end user with sane default keyboard shortcuts (but universally configurable) would be a -game changer- it also opens the doors to novel ideas up like Command Palette-like UX paradigms. imagine changing the res…

I think you'd like Gnome.

Im a former Mac person and I really like it. Ticks all the boxes you've just said.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by ladberg »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #129
taeric wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find this funny, in that I struggle with Mac all the time. The worst grievance lately is that I don't know how to just pop back and forth between three windows. Something about the way command tab works just kills my ability to reason about what the window stack currently is. And, for the life of me, I never get copy paste from a terminal to work like I want it to.

Window switching on mac has always driven me mad. I cut my teeth on windows so that is probably why. Why can’t one switch between windows of the same application on MacOS with a modifier+tab combination?

It's Cmd-`, which is close enough to tab that I find it very handy

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by Shared404 »

howdydoo wrote: post #115
GekkePrutser wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want up to date everything you simply chose the wrong distro. It's not really the package manager's fault. Debian goes for stable versions during a release and backports security patches. It's one of their main design philosophies. It really shines for boxes you want to run something for years with minimal maintenance. Get arch, manjaro or another rolling distro and you'll have what you want :) Or perhaps Ubun…

I just think it's weird that I can't have an LTS OS with non-LTS userland apps. But I guess I have to accept that. Snap is a nonstarter for me for many reasons. Startup speed is important for shell pipelines, and also it's insane to bundle that much stuff just to run a statically-linked binary. And it wouldn't even solve the version problem, it looks like ripgrep on Snap is two years old. https://snapcraft.io/ripgrep…

Manjaro kinda went off the deep end, I would recommend installing Arch manually, or maybe using Antergos.

Actually, Fedora may be better for your usecase. Assuming no proprietary drivers are required, it's a very simple install process, and tends to keep quite up to date software while remaining more stable than Arch.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by tigerInATurvy »

xedrac wrote: post #94
somenewaccount1 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. I came here to say the only thing that matters is that copy and paste in Linux is 'cntrl+shift+c'. You can try changing it, but your still fucked in most terminals, and then you end up with two key combos depending on context. It's a nightmare, and I'm really glad you have the top comment. Clearly I'm not alone.

Why bother implementing ctrl+c and ctrl+v in Linux when highlighting text copies it, and middle click pastes it? Ctrl+c feels like the dark ages in comparison.

I'm one of those people who highlights lines as I read them to help me keep focus. Plus, I'd rather have explicit copying via a specific action than something that just happens automatically on highlight.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by rzzzt »

timbit42 wrote: post #86
zenlf wrote: post #37

After my previous Linux experience with Ubuntu 10 years ago, I gave pop os a try last year and was surprised how good it was. I think the engineers at System76 really know what they are doing and am excited about their new DE.

So you're comparing current pop os to Ubuntu 10 years ago?

Are they? I only see two events mentioned, with 9 years in between.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by saurik »

Steltek wrote: post #131
taeric wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find this funny, in that I struggle with Mac all the time. The worst grievance lately is that I don't know how to just pop back and forth between three windows. Something about the way command tab works just kills my ability to reason about what the window stack currently is. And, for the life of me, I never get copy paste from a terminal to work like I want it to.

Headed in the other direction (Linux at home to Mac at work) for years now, I can't understand what the fuss is about with Mac keyboard shortcuts. In my experience, I don't find them consistent, useful, or pleasant to use. You hit the nail on the head with alt-tab. alt-tab is universal. Hell, alt-tab works on Android if you hook up a keyboard to it. Mac is the only thing where alt-tab falls on its face. Even if you r…

> Mac is the only thing where alt-tab falls on its face. Even if you remind yourself that you're on Mac and use cmd-tab...

But alt on a Windows keyboard layout and and command on a Mac keyboard layout are the same key location, so I don't understand how you can be confused by this... maybe stop looking at the keyboard?

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by boplicity »

taeric wrote: post #116
im_down_w_otp wrote: post #53

All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application be like and be as consistent as my old Macs. I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time…

I find this funny, in that I struggle with Mac all the time. The worst grievance lately is that I don't know how to just pop back and forth between three windows. Something about the way command tab works just kills my ability to reason about what the window stack currently is. And, for the life of me, I never get copy paste from a terminal to work like I want it to.

Make your desired windows fullscreen, then swipe side to side on the trackpad (3 or 4 fingers) to switch between them almost instantly. One of the best features of MacOS, IMO.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by 6LLvveMx2koXfwn »

taeric wrote: post #116
im_down_w_otp wrote: post #53

All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application be like and be as consistent as my old Macs. I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time…

I find this funny, in that I struggle with Mac all the time. The worst grievance lately is that I don't know how to just pop back and forth between three windows. Something about the way command tab works just kills my ability to reason about what the window stack currently is. And, for the life of me, I never get copy paste from a terminal to work like I want it to.

I struggled with Mac on my M1 Air for about six months then donated it to my partner and returned to Fedora on an XPS 13. Muscle memory was bad enough but the feeling of being watched was worse.
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