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The Zen of Drinking Alone

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Re: The Zen of Drinking Alone

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I wish I could source it, but I recall reading an anthropological study of drinking that mentioned that solo drinking is universally shunned across all cultures. There's also something perverse about associating this with Zen given that abstaining from intoxicants is the fifth precept ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_precepts#Fifth_precept ). I would never say there is no insight that could be gleaned from this -…

Was it this Atlantic article?

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/america...

Re: The Zen of Drinking Alone

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I wish I could source it, but I recall reading an anthropological study of drinking that mentioned that solo drinking is universally shunned across all cultures. There's also something perverse about associating this with Zen given that abstaining from intoxicants is the fifth precept ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_precepts#Fifth_precept ). I would never say there is no insight that could be gleaned from this -…

- From "Social and Cultural Aspects of Drinking" [0]: "The most important of these cross-cultural constants in the social norms governing alcohol use is the near-universal taboo on solitary drinking. The fact that drinking is, in almost all cultures, essentially a social act, is recognised throughout the anthropological literature, and ethnographic data from a wide range of cultures indicate that solitary drinking is…

Thank you! I think the first is where I first read it.

Re: The Zen of Drinking Alone

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post #11
post #3

I wish I could source it, but I recall reading an anthropological study of drinking that mentioned that solo drinking is universally shunned across all cultures. There's also something perverse about associating this with Zen given that abstaining from intoxicants is the fifth precept ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_precepts#Fifth_precept ). I would never say there is no insight that could be gleaned from this -…

Was it this Atlantic article? https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/america...

This looks like a great article, but I believe I first saw it here (& thanks to pelagicAustral for finding it):

http://www.sirc.org/publik/drinking5.html

And there's some related HN discussion on the article here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17488786

Re: The Zen of Drinking Alone

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there are far better and stronger drugs you can do alone for introspection.

a night by yourself on shrooms could change you more than 100 nights drinking alone, without the hangover or liver damage

Re: The Zen of Drinking Alone

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We are supposed to perform and add value to the world. Not become mystics and monks. That's the Zeitgeist slave's mentality.

Doing unhinged introspection with the help of booze or other drugs is frowned upon as you you will realise that are not living for others but yourself on our shared pale blue dot in your personal short glimpse of experienced history and reality.

Re: The Zen of Drinking Alone

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Its sad that this seems to have such an appeal. We seem to be becoming all so isolated, despite technical advancements that were meant to make us more connected. Going to a bar and talking to people that are outside your friend group, outside your "bubble", and while feeling the happy inhibition that being slightly drunk gives is healing.

Re: The Zen of Drinking Alone

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It's a way of thinking I went into, and the various recent lockdowns helped quite a lot. I spend good evenings, and enjoyed it thoroughly. But I want to bring up a REALLY STRONG WARNING about it.

It's shunned in most cultures for a reason. You don't want to be the one wasted person in the polite social event, so it helps limiting how much you drink.

The article fail to mentions that alcohol is a VERY addictive substance. Not only you need more to reach the same state, but by enjoying it, you then actively look for it. I went from a few evenings a month, to a daily dose really faster than I expected. When you start to dismiss useful stuff (chores, social commitments) in favor of drinking, you are the definition of an addict. It's also very easy to deny it, but I know very few people who can hold a "dry-january" or refrain from drinking for several weeks.

I was advised to go to an aa meeting, and I went there just to prove myself that I had "no problem with alcohol". That was a huge slap in my face. Seeing others being in denial, can really help you see your own.

So while I understand (and enjoyed) the practice, I would really warn anyone wanting to try that to :

1. Challenge yourself regularly (did I successfully stop for 2 weeks ?)

2. Don't hesitate to reach out if you have the slightest doubt you can't stop.

AA[0] are wonderful people who don't judge, and going to a meeting helps tremendously if you have troubles stopping. I thought it only happenned to others for way to long.

[0] : https://www.aa.org/

Re: The Zen of Drinking Alone

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post #3

I wish I could source it, but I recall reading an anthropological study of drinking that mentioned that solo drinking is universally shunned across all cultures. There's also something perverse about associating this with Zen given that abstaining from intoxicants is the fifth precept ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_precepts#Fifth_precept ). I would never say there is no insight that could be gleaned from this -…

- From "Social and Cultural Aspects of Drinking" [0]: "The most important of these cross-cultural constants in the social norms governing alcohol use is the near-universal taboo on solitary drinking. The fact that drinking is, in almost all cultures, essentially a social act, is recognised throughout the anthropological literature, and ethnographic data from a wide range of cultures indicate that solitary drinking is…

"drinking with others tends to spark joy and even euphoria, while drinking alone elicits neither—if anything, solo drinkers get more depressed as they drink."

I wonder how much of this is "set and setting", something that is well known with other drugs. Maybe people tend toward depression when they drink alone because that's what they expect to happen?

Re: The Zen of Drinking Alone

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I wish I could source it, but I recall reading an anthropological study of drinking that mentioned that solo drinking is universally shunned across all cultures. There's also something perverse about associating this with Zen given that abstaining from intoxicants is the fifth precept ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_precepts#Fifth_precept ). I would never say there is no insight that could be gleaned from this -…

I think being a loner is generally seen as unusual though isn't it?

I enjoy drinking alone, exercising alone, traveling alone, sitting alone, working alone. I don't really think I'm that weird by objective standards, there are also things I like doing with people (I'm married and have a family), but as a sometimes introvert, I definitely value time alone, including relaxing with a beer.

Related, when I went to university, I lived in residence and i remember sitting by myself at meals and having people come and basically think they were doing me a favor talking to me, because only a loser would want to sit by himself. I found it both annoying (because I wanted to be alone) and condescending (because people see you alone and come talk to you like you must have no friends) - all that to say, society seems to look at you funny if you enjoy being by yourself, so I wouldn't read too much into sllo drinking being shunned specifically.

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