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Francis Fukuyama – Against Identity Politics

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Re: Francis Fukuyama – Against Identity Politics

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- “ Trumpism is white identity politics” - What happens if you replace the word “white” with say non-college educated working people?

> non-college educated working people? Lots of Hispanics and Blacks in that group, who surprisingly aren't that keen on Trump

Not entirely true. Larger percentage of Hispanics and Blacks voted for Trump than any other republican presidential candidate.

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From my point of view identity politics is just standard issue divide and conquer Marxism. This ideology is meant to split people and nations into oppressor and oppressed categories with the sole purpose to facilitate utopian revolution(s).

What? Precisely the opposite, Marx thought the only fundamental differences were class differences. Does "proletarians of the world, unite!" seem like a nationalist/identitarian slogan?

Re: Francis Fukuyama – Against Identity Politics

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- “ Trumpism is white identity politics” - What happens if you replace the word “white” with say non-college educated working people?

> non-college educated working people? Lots of Hispanics and Blacks in that group, who surprisingly aren't that keen on Trump

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Re: Francis Fukuyama – Against Identity Politics

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From my point of view identity politics is just standard issue divide and conquer Marxism. This ideology is meant to split people and nations into oppressor and oppressed categories with the sole purpose to facilitate utopian revolution(s).

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Re: Francis Fukuyama – Against Identity Politics

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- “ Trumpism is white identity politics” - What happens if you replace the word “white” with say non-college educated working people?

> non-college educated working people? Lots of Hispanics and Blacks in that group, who surprisingly aren't that keen on Trump

Hispanics are not a homogenous group like you portray them to be. For example Republicans won Hispanics in Virginia this year [1]. There is a balance between more conservative leaning Hispanics from Central/South America, wealthier 3rd+ generation Hispanics who lean conservative, and more liberal recent Mexican demographics. All evidence from the past 2 elections in 2020 and 2021 indicate that Hispanics as a whole are shifting towards the GOP (even if Democrats currently have a solid majority among Hispanics as a whole).

[1]: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/04/latino-poll-virgini...

Re: Francis Fukuyama – Against Identity Politics

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I hate identity politics as much as the next guy, but I think a lot of Fukuyama's takes here are pretty bad. He repeatedly paints massive groups with a large and indiscriminate brush. For instance: "The right seeks to cut off immigration altogether and would like to send immigrants back to their countries of origin." Uh, what? The United States is a nation of immigrants and we all know it. I don't think anyone wants…

The key behind understanding the guy is he's always defending imperialism and the current power structure as the correct, natural and inevitable course of events, with no other alternative possible.

He's been playing that same song for decades. You already know what his position on everything is and how he'll argue for it. The real amazing thing is how much he's committed to it

Re: Francis Fukuyama – Against Identity Politics

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- “ Trumpism is white identity politics” - What happens if you replace the word “white” with say non-college educated working people?

> non-college educated working people? Lots of Hispanics and Blacks in that group, who surprisingly aren't that keen on Trump

Trump got 30% of the Latino vote in 2020, more than republicans get historically.

Re: Francis Fukuyama – Against Identity Politics

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my point of view identity politics is just standard issue divide and conquer Marxism. This ideology is meant to split people and nations into oppressor and oppressed categories with the sole purpose to facilitate utopian revolution(s).

What? Precisely the opposite, Marx thought the only fundamental differences were class differences. Does "proletarians of the world, unite!" seem like a nationalist/identitarian slogan?

Not “unite”, unite in fight against oppression. Unite against your countrymen, the opposite of nationalism. Once proletariat in developed countries was deemed unsuitable as engine for revolution new ideologies aimed at urban blacks and college students were developed.

Re: Francis Fukuyama – Against Identity Politics

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I hate identity politics as much as the next guy, but I think a lot of Fukuyama's takes here are pretty bad. He repeatedly paints massive groups with a large and indiscriminate brush. For instance: "The right seeks to cut off immigration altogether and would like to send immigrants back to their countries of origin." Uh, what? The United States is a nation of immigrants and we all know it. I don't think anyone wants…

Yeah that’s a bad take, though it’s true that even for legal migration the right is generally cooler on it than the left. They wouldn’t cut it all off, but they’d probably restrict it more.

Re: Francis Fukuyama – Against Identity Politics

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I hate identity politics as much as the next guy, but I think a lot of Fukuyama's takes here are pretty bad. He repeatedly paints massive groups with a large and indiscriminate brush. For instance: "The right seeks to cut off immigration altogether and would like to send immigrants back to their countries of origin." Uh, what? The United States is a nation of immigrants and we all know it. I don't think anyone wants…

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